nshepperd comments on On the unpopularity of cryonics: life sucks, but at least then you die - Less Wrong

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Comment author: nshepperd 26 August 2011 09:32:58AM 5 points [-]

I guess it depends on how you define "ceased". As far as I understand, people who are in comas, or in shock, etc., still have a measurable level of brain activity (as well as metabolic activity, actually). When a person is cryonically frozen, however, all metabolic activity ceases (again, I could be wrong about this).

One of the papers referenced by Alcor in support of cryonics is this one. In this case, the patient seems to have been revived after having no electrical activity at all, which should demonstrate that the brain is not storing your personality of identity in any kind of "RAM".

Comment author: Bugmaster 27 August 2011 01:18:32AM 0 points [-]

One of the papers referenced by Alcor in support of cryonics is this one. In this case, the patient seems to have been revived after having no electrical activity at all...

I don't have access to the full paper, but I read the abstract as saying, "the patient had no EEG activity, but we detected another type of activity that indicates signals being transmitted from his nerves through his spinal cord, and processed by the brain". See also my reply to lsparrish, below (or maybe above, I am getting kinda lost in this threading system).

Comment author: nshepperd 27 August 2011 05:36:23AM 2 points [-]

Hmm...

Thanks to being at university I did eventually figure out how to access the full paper. The main part of interest appears to be this paragraph:

A digital computerized EEG performed 5 h following the arrest was isoelectric using gains of 7 µV/mm (Fig. 1). Reconfiguring the study using double distance electrode placement confirmed the absence of cortical activity. At maximal gains of 2 µV/mm there was extensive EKG, respirator and muscle artifact, but no demonstrable cerebral electrical activity. Median nerve SSEP performed immediately thereafter were normal (Fig. 2).

I'm not a biology major, unfortunately, but what I take this to mean is that the EEG detected no electrical activity although the rest of the nervous system (heart, muscles, lungs, etc.) were working normally, and also that signals emitted by the nervous system from stimulus were correctly transmitted throughout the brain. So while the brain had no self-sustaining electrical activity its signal response was good (which actually ought to indicate just that the neural structure and functionality -- the stuff that cryonics is meant to preserve -- was good!).

But, again, I don't study biology and most of the terms they use are new to me, so I could have misinterpreted. Still, I take this as some evidence that not much of importance is stored in volatile electrical activity.