GabrielDuquette comments on Rationality Quotes August 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 02 August 2011 08:43:01PM 13 points [-]

"[I]f function is hard enough, form is forced to follow it, because there is no effort to spare for error. Wild animals are beautiful because they have hard lives."

Paul Graham

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 03 August 2011 01:35:41AM 41 points [-]
Comment author: Armok_GoB 08 August 2011 11:54:58AM 0 points [-]

Are you implying those are not beautiful?

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 08 August 2011 12:04:07PM 4 points [-]

That was the intention, yes, and I expect that significantly less than 0.1% of humans would classify all of those examples as neutral or better in appearance if asked in a context with no significant priming on the matter.

Comment author: kpreid 02 August 2011 10:52:24PM 2 points [-]

It seems surprising that this is true. Why are functional things beautiful, even when they serve only their own purposes?

Comment author: machrider 03 August 2011 12:33:47AM 7 points [-]

Perhaps a better word would have been 'elegant'.

Comment author: jimmy 02 August 2011 11:13:54PM 11 points [-]

Because beauty in design isn't some arbitrary metric different than the good design metric. It's what it feels like when you pattern match to 'good design'.

You might notice your aesthetic tastes in something change once you understand more about their design (I certainly have), and I doubt you'd see so much interest in 'carbon fiber' stickers if carbon fiber weren't associated with strong light high tech stuff.

This 'Art' thing seems to be an obvious counterpoint, but I suspect its just beauty wireheading as a result of goodhearts law.

Comment author: DanielLC 06 August 2011 12:06:53AM 4 points [-]

My theory is that art is what happens when the design is to be artistic. For example, there might be books made to entertain people. You can find beauty in how well a book is written to be entertaining. Then you can start writing books specifically for that beauty. Then you find beauty in how well a book is written to be beautiful. Pretty soon, you end up with didactic books that are useless for entertainment, unless you're specifically into the beauty of didactic literature.

Comment author: Arandur 02 August 2011 11:01:13PM 2 points [-]

Because we're preprogrammed to find functionality aesthetically pleasing? Why are mathematical proofs beautiful?

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 05 August 2011 05:35:24PM *  1 point [-]

I once asked a similar question (here). jimrandomh's reply was that having to satisfy constraints simply forces you to think harder about the problem, which increases the beauty of your solution. The analogy to wild animals doesn't hold up, which is lucky.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 August 2011 11:05:53PM *  1 point [-]

At this point the spirit of Kant compels me to say purposiveness (Deut. Zweckmässigkeit). Sorry, this isn't a real answer to your question.