KPier comments on Theory of Knowledge (rationality outreach) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 09 August 2011 05:16:08AM 3 points [-]

For the record, I'm not convinced the IB Diploma Program is a good thing. It doesn't really solve any of the problems with public schools, it shares the frustrating focus on standardized testing and password-guessing instead of real learning, etc.

I graduated from IB back in 2000 (with 43 out of 45 on my diploma), and I disagree here. The thing about IB's tests (and the Extended Essay) is that they're incredibly comprehensive. There's just no way to do well on them except by actually learning the stuff.

My time was before the current era of standardized testing, but I've taken an AP test (AP Physics C: Mechanics; my IB program didn't do physics), as well as the ACT, SAT (I and several IIs), and GRE. Unlike all of them, IB tests depend very strongly on both general intelligence (mostly the ability to write coherently) and subject-specific knowledge, and (importantly!) they don't saturate at the high end. It's quite difficult to get 7s on the tests, especially HL - I fought for four years for mine (and I still got two 6s in my weaker subjects).

Of course, it's totally possible for an IB program to be implemented badly, and produce students who get really low scores and sometimes miss the diploma entirely. The tests would detect that, though. I was fortunate to have a good program in my public school, plus I had a really strong work ethic back then.

You're right about ToK, though - it was basically useless.

Comment author: KPier 09 August 2011 08:32:25PM 5 points [-]

I would have to disagree with you. I took both AP and IB tests in Economics and Spanish, and to me the IB test was more about the amount of stuff you could write down in the time limit than about understanding. Since the test questions are virtually the same from year to year, it is easy to study the test rather than the subject, and I certainly didn't feel like preparing for the tests taught me anything in the anticipation-constraining sense. (I got a 7 on both, so I don't think this is entirely attributable to incompetence)

That said, the IB program is definitely more rigorous and meaningful than a typical public school experience, and saying it isn't up to the standards of LessWrong isn't really a criticism. I don't mean to be too harsh.