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This post, for instance, comes off as hostile and dismissive, not a message from someone who is sympathetic to the concerns expressed or willing to examine the matter under discussion. That's probably not your intent?
In terms of PUA discussion here, off the top of my head I've seen it expressed that:
If you get someone to cheat on their partner, then they were in an unhappy relationship and therefore there's no problem.
"Manipulation" is a useless term, and there's no use trying to distinguish if some methods of obtaining sex are problematic WRT consent. (Notable because I haven't seen this same sentiment expressed on, say, CEV posts, so I expect it to be motivated by sex / politics.)
Women don't like explicit discussion of social reality (and this is the only possible objection to PUA discussion here).
I don't think this post deserves being downvoted. Granted that the absence of links is a big flaw, the previous somewhat similar post didn't even make any specific claims at all, and I am heavily inclined to overlook even severe weaknesses in rough drafts when they improve greatly upon the old drafts. This counteracts perfectionist tendencies, encourages social discussion at a rawer stage of thought in which disagreement is suborned to dialogue, gives opportunities to say "oops", and generally gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling (halo alert! There are advantages to having high standards, the coin of LW that it would behoove us not to debase).
I will nonetheless add a criticism that hasn't been raised before. The phrasing "Women don't like" is problematically equivocal, not just for the original speakers, but for those citing them. If one means to say (or to say that someone said) "All women X", or "most women X", or "women X more than men X, etc., one should be clear.
If one intends to say that the original speaker was using equivocation (for instance, by not modifying "women" with "Some" or "More so than men", the speaker may have been (inadvertently?) saying something true in a restricted interpretation but false and overly stereotyping in an expansive plausible interpretation. Those citing such cases should explicitly label the problem rather than faithfully transposing the equivocations present.