KPier comments on Counting upvotes/downvotes - Less Wrong

17 Post author: calcsam 07 August 2011 04:37AM

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Comment author: David_Gerard 07 August 2011 04:17:06PM 1 point [-]

Controversy scores would indeed be useful things - e.g., are the scores on the QM sequence so low because the posts are controversial, or because few people read them?

Comment author: KPier 07 August 2011 05:18:38PM 1 point [-]

I'm simply not smart enough to understand the math. It feels dishonest to vote up something I didn't fully understand, but it also feels unfair to downvote something that would probably be right if I could understand it. I bet a lot of people didn't vote at all on the QM sequence, not because they didn't read them but because they didn't feel informed enough to make a judgement.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 07 August 2011 09:16:28PM 3 points [-]

I'm simply not smart enough to understand the math.

You don't have enough mathematical maturity to understand the math. You are smart enough to learn to understand it, quickly.

Comment author: komponisto 07 August 2011 05:28:10PM 0 points [-]

If I may ask, at what point during your attempted reading of the sequence did you arrive at the conclusion that you couldn't understand the math?

Comment author: KPier 07 August 2011 05:34:36PM 1 point [-]

The first few posts, with configuration spaces and complex numbers, didn't make sense to me even after reading them a couple times and trying to draw them out myself. After a while I decided to just sign up for physics in school, since I learn better that way.

I didn't have any trouble with the posts on Many-Worlds and simplicity, or with the philosophy/QM stuff.

Comment author: handoflixue 08 August 2011 07:37:05PM 2 points [-]

http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide-to-imaginary-numbers/

I thought the math was utterly absurd until I read this and went "Oh, THAT'S what a complex number is? Gee, no wonder they're used in this!"

I got it off the comment threads on one of the QM sequences, and apparently it helped a lot of people there. You seem to have already found your own solution, but I figure it doesn't hurt to at least mention something that worked for a lot of others :)

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 08 August 2011 08:13:58PM 2 points [-]

Woah.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 07 August 2011 09:19:36PM *  -1 points [-]

After a while I decided to just sign up for physics in school, since I learn better that way.

Don't let the curriculum hold you back. Get a book, read it yourself.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 07 August 2011 09:23:23PM 4 points [-]

Downvoted for unsolicited other-optimizing, especially given that it's reasonable to guess from the context that KPier learns better from traditional classes than from books, if e learns better from traditional classes than from blog posts.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 07 August 2011 09:30:23PM 0 points [-]

For a smart student, standard curriculum is usually too slow (and too limited) for any subject they actually care to learn. Status quo can hold them back, since everyone else is just following the curriculum.

That learning from books is less optimal is irrelevant to the extent there is no other choice (but there are probably video courses to be found on many subjects).

Comment author: KPier 07 August 2011 11:41:55PM 5 points [-]

In most areas of study, I learn well on my own/from books. For math, I don't. I thought this meant I was stupid until I read "Beware of Other-Optimizing" - now I just think it's something about the way my brain processes math.

Standard curriculum at my school, even in the honors classes, is fairly slow; that's why I'm taking three science classes plus math next year, which (from past experience) should be enough to keep me from getting bored.

That said, I have also bought some physics books to read on my own once I finish Godel, Escher, Bach, which is taking me a while. Do you have any specific suggestions?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 08 August 2011 06:24:17AM *  2 points [-]

Try Lawvere's "Conceptual mathematics" (it's written for advanced high school level). It'll demonstrate some ways in which a lot of math is very unlike high school math. (But do look for other suggestions.)