SilasBarta comments on Magic Tricks Revealed: Test Your Rationality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 13 August 2011 01:57:39PM 13 points [-]

I'm not sure that there's a lack of creativity involved in the sort of context of the plate situation. The real issue in the context of the plate seems to be a general heuristic that people aren't trying to deceive us. In order for society to function this is a good heuristic to have. Countries where people trust more are generally more prosperous and while there are correlation v. causation issues here there's surrounding evidence which suggests that there really is a causal link from high trust to more prosperity.

That said, the notion that being able to do this and think creatively when one knows that a trick is involved might be interesting and the idea that it would help promote creative hypothesis generation is intriguing.

Comment author: SilasBarta 13 August 2011 09:00:38PM 8 points [-]

The real issue in the context of the plate seems to be a general heuristic that people aren't trying to deceive us.

Not surprisingly then, a key element of most magic tricks is misdirection, or outright lying. There was a discussion about this on LW a while back, but I can't find it. Someone mentioned how if you just boldly lie about key elements of the setup, people will form expectations that you can then easily surprise. The commenter then found that this skill at lying (and noticing how trusting people are) bled into the rest of his life, which led me to suggest people should be extra careful around magicians even when they're not on stage!

Comment author: Bo102010 15 August 2011 01:30:54AM 3 points [-]

Sounds like my post from 2009, Misleading the Witness, perhaps?

Comment author: SilasBarta 15 August 2011 03:30:59PM 5 points [-]

That's the one! Thanks for catching that. The relevant quote and my reaction were:

This riddle made me remember reading about how beginning magicians are very nervous in their first public performances, since some of their tricks involve misdirecting the audience by openly lying... they learn to be more comfortable once they find out how easily the audience will pretty much accept whatever false statements they make.

It makes me wonder how dangerous magicians can become in their regular lives.