jsalvatier comments on Are Deontological Moral Judgments Rationalizations? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: lukeprog 16 August 2011 05:52:25PM *  0 points [-]

I am aware that it's from a quote. It's from a quote you chose, inserted into your article, and moved on from without caveat in a way characteristic of authors who wish to borrow positions in others' words (as opposed to more critical uses of quotations). Yes, you identify the quotes as not belonging to you, but your article is structured in such a way as to claim them; I have just gone over it again and can't find any place where you disclaim more than to the extent that you admit you didn't write those bits.

That's not the issue for me. I do, basically, claim the same argument that Greene makes. I was only trying to say that I can't add every qualification and clarification without the post ballooning to something like 40 pages. But I'm happy to respond to individual questions and objections outside the main body of the post, as I did above.

I have to wonder what your target audience is here. You could have written about [things] in a far more neutral style...

So now your objection is to my tone? That's only DH2 on the disagreement heirarchy. I'll take another look at my tone, but it's not much of a disagreement if we're disagreeing about tone.

Am I mistaken in thinking that anti-abortion activists do seek to make abortion illegal, and just don't do it by charging women with crimes the scope of which does not legally apply? Usually?

I already responded to this in my last comment. The point isn't that consistent pro-lifers would charge abortionists with murder even though the current laws don't consider abortion to be murder. The point is that consistent pro-lifers who think abortion is murder would seek to change the laws so that abortion would legally be considered murder and abortionists could legitimately be charged with committing murder (or with paying a doctor to commit murder).

Edit: I did notice some confusing language in my fourth paragraph, which I've updated thanks to your comments.

Comment author: jsalvatier 16 August 2011 06:08:21PM 24 points [-]

Luke, I think you often come across as defensive. I think it is difficult to avoid since you write a lot and thus put yourself out there for people to criticize and people do often comment in an aggressive fashion, but I think you should be aware of it anyway. I think avoiding seeming defensive would be useful to you because seeming defensive seems to make discussions more adversarial.

The phrase that gives me that impression here is

So now your objection is to my tone? You've reached DH2 on the disagreement heirarchy. I'll take another look at my tone, but it's not much of a disagreement if we're disagreeing about tone.

I am a neutral observer of this conversation; I've only read the last two comments.

Comment author: lukeprog 16 August 2011 06:22:18PM *  10 points [-]

Thanks for your feedback. For whatever reason, this turned out to be one of the most impacting comments I've received this year.

Comment author: jsalvatier 23 August 2011 04:52:41PM 3 points [-]

Glad to be of service :)