Eugine_Nier comments on Are Deontological Moral Judgments Rationalizations? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 17 August 2011 07:26:33AM 4 points [-]

(even though it strikes me as a mind projection issue of creating a person's ethical 'character' when all you need is the likelihood of them performing this act or that).

It's not a fallacy if the thing your projecting onto is an actual human with an actual human mind. Another way to see this is as using the priors on how humans tend to behave that evolution has provided you.

But on another level, I can see it is as a description of a sort of hard-coded irrationality that we have evolution to thank for. All things being equal, we prefer to associate with people who will never murder us, rather than people who will only murder us when it would be good to do so - because we personally calculate good with a term for our existence. People with an irrational, compelling commitment are more trustworthy than people compelled by rational or utilitarian concerns (Schelling's Strategy of Conflict), because we are aware that there exists situations where the best outcome overall is not the best outcome personally.

The definition of "rational" you're using in that paragraph has the problem that it will cause you to regret your rationality. If having an "irrational" commitment helps you be more trusted and thus achieve your goals, it's not irrational. See the articles about decision theory for more details on this.

Comment author: handoflixue 17 August 2011 06:41:52PM 2 points [-]

It's not a fallacy if the thing your projecting onto is an actual human with an actual human mind. Another way to see this is as using the priors on how humans tend to behave that evolution has provided you.

That only works if you're (a) not running in to cultural differences and (b) not dealing with someone who has major neurological differences. Using your default priors on "how humans work" to handle an autistic or a schizophrenic is probably going to produce sub-par results. Same if you assume that "homosexuality is wrong" or "steak is delicious" is culturally universal.

It's unlikely that you'll run in to someone who prioritizes prime-sized stacks of pebbles, but it's entirely likely you'll run in to people who thinks eating meat is wrong, or that gay marriage ought to be legalized :)

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 18 August 2011 02:16:39PM *  2 points [-]

(a) not running in to cultural differences and

Indeed, and it probably needs to be emphasized that nations are not monocultures. Americans reading mainly utilitarian blogs and Americans reading mainly deontologist blogs live in different cultures, for instance. (To say nothing about Americans reading atheist blogs and Americans reading fundamentalist blogs, let alone Americans reading any kinds of blogs and Americans who don't read period.)

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 18 August 2011 02:59:48AM 3 points [-]

Using your default priors on "how humans work" to handle an autistic or a schizophrenic is probably going to produce sub-par results.

They're going to produce the result that this human's brain is wired strangely and thus he's liable to exhibit other strange and likely negative behaviors. Which is more-or-less accurate.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 18 August 2011 06:08:41AM *  3 points [-]

Why on Earth is this comment getting downvoted?

Comment author: lessdazed 18 August 2011 07:09:38AM 4 points [-]

My guess is it's in response to the phrase "negative behaviors" describing a non-neurotypical person's behavior.

Comment author: handoflixue 18 August 2011 06:52:59PM 3 points [-]

Because his comment is evidence for the hypothesis that he has a divergent neurology from mine, and is therefor liable to exhibit negative behaviors :P