lessdazed comments on A History of Bayes' Theorem - Less Wrong

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Comment author: lessdazed 25 August 2011 07:25:59AM 6 points [-]

Laplace's friend Bouvard used his method to calculate the masses of Jupiter and Saturn from a wide variety of observations. Laplace was so impressed that he offered his readers a famous bet: 11,000 to 1 odds that Bouvard's results for Saturn were within 1% of the correct answer, and a million to one odds for Jupiter. Nobody seems to have taken Laplace's bet, but today's technology confirms that Laplace should have won both bets.

How were they to determine the correct answer?

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 30 August 2011 05:38:06AM *  4 points [-]

Here are English translations of relevant papers of Laplace (search for "Bouvard"). Laplace appeals to the next century of data. It's not phrased as a bet there and while I can't address everything he wrote, older translations use "bet" where newer ones use "odds."

Newton used (his derivation of) Kepler's laws relate the mass to the period of satellites; I think Bouvard did the same. Newton correctly calculated the mass of Jupiter because it has easily visible satellites, but was off by 15% for Saturn. Bouvard differed by 0.5% from Newton on Jupiter, but both were 2% off (Laplace was overconfident). Bouvard's error on Saturn was less than 0.5%. Since Laplace thought he should be less accurate on Saturn, it was probably luck. Bouvard also computed the mass of Uranus within 30% by looking at its effects on other planets. ETA: since Laplace says the mass includes the moons, it probably isn't computed from the orbits of the moons; perhaps it is the effect on other planets.

Comment author: kurokikaze 26 August 2011 10:06:48AM 0 points [-]

Calculated from gravitational force.