Desrtopa comments on Consequentialism Need Not Be Nearsighted - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Desrtopa 02 September 2011 01:39:15PM 3 points [-]

It might be better if doctors could make hard choices like this and keep it absolutely secret, but it's nearly impossible to contrive. As long as most people strongly disapprove of that sort of action, and people who want to become doctors do not have overwhelmingly different inclinations, and the training itself does not explicitly advocate for that sort of action, the vast majority of doctors will not take the organ harvester side in the dilemma, even in circumstances where they think they can get away with it (which will be rare,) and those are the basic minimum requirements to pull it off without people guessing.

A society where the public didn't mind doctors harvesting the few to save the many would probably be considerably better off, but that would require the thoughts and actions of the entire society to be different, not just the doctors within it.

Following consequentialist ethics doesn't mean that you should behave as you would in the highest possible utility world, if that doesn't increase utility in the world in which you actually find yourself.

Comment author: markrkrebs 27 September 2011 02:25:14AM 0 points [-]

The world we find ourselves in would never expect the doctor to cut the guy up. Few people are doing that consequentialist math. Well, maybe a few long thinkers on this site. So, the supposed long view as reason for not doing it is baloney. I think on that basis alone the experiment fails to come up recommending the conventional behavior it's trying to rationalize.

Comment author: Desrtopa 27 September 2011 07:49:21PM *  0 points [-]

We would never expect the doctors to cut the guy up, but hardly any doctors would cut the guy up. Doctors are drawn from the same pool as the rest of society, so society's expectations of their behavior are pretty much on point.

In a world where doctors were likely to cut the person up, the public would also be a lot more likely to expect doctors to cut the person up.