JoshuaZ comments on Consequentialism Need Not Be Nearsighted - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 04 September 2011 12:39:40AM 6 points [-]

Though mind you, even against animals, vengeance is rather useful; because even animals can model humans to some extent. The wolves in The Jungle Book learned to "seven times never kill Man", after learning that to hurt one man, means many other men with guns coming to kill wolves in return.

Beware fictional evidence. I suspect that wolves might be smart enough in individual cases to recognize humans are a big nasty threat they don't want to mess with. But that makes sense in a context without any understanding of vengeance.

Comment author: markrkrebs 27 September 2011 02:21:47AM -1 points [-]

Well, they could EVOLVE that reticence for perfectly good reasons. I'll dare in this context to suggest that evolution IS intelligence. Have you heard of thought as an act of simulating action and forecasting the results? Is that not what evolution does, only the simulations are real, and the best chess moves "selected?"

a species thereby exhibits meta-intelligence, no?

Comment author: JoshuaZ 27 September 2011 02:58:19AM *  3 points [-]

I'm not completely sure what you are trying to say. I agree they could potentially evolve such an attitude if the selection pressure was high enough.

But evolution doesn't work like a chess player. Evolution does what works in the short term, blindly having the most successful alleles push forward to the next generation. If there were a chess analogy, evolution would be like a massive chess board with millions of players and each player making whatever move looks best at a quick glance, and then there are a few hundred thousand players who just move randomly.

Comment author: markrkrebs 27 September 2011 10:17:16AM 1 point [-]

Good point.. Easy to imagine a lot of biologically good designs getting left unexpressed because the first move is less optimal.