DavidAgain comments on Kill the mind-killer - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 23 August 2011 05:44:27AM 3 points [-]

From a UK point of view, the things we tend to assume would improve US politics would be a less biased and more challenging media

Speaking from the US, that's more or less what I think about UK politics.

Comment author: DavidAgain 23 August 2011 06:33:48AM 0 points [-]

Interesting! You mean in general, or that the UK is particularly weak on that front. I think most politically interested people in the UK think that the UK media should/could be better in various ways, but regard it as superior to US media in terms of bias/challenge.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 23 August 2011 07:03:22AM *  2 points [-]

You mean in general, or that the UK is particularly weak on that front.

Depends on who you ask. Personally I think England may be somewhat better than continental Europe.

I think most politically interested people in the UK think that the UK media should/could be better in various ways, but regard it as superior to US media in terms of bias/challenge.

Yes, well I suspect everyone believes their media is the least biased because their media tells them so.

Comment author: DavidAgain 23 August 2011 08:48:51AM 1 point [-]

Very possibly! I think it's a little deeper than that, though: I think other people's sort of bias seems worse than yours, plus people enjoy identifying the examples of things that seem weird from elsewhere. So people will share Fox News clips a lot here, for instance. Don't know what the UK equivalent is when seen from outside: though there are groups within the UK who see the BBC as very biased. And we have the murdoch thing of course

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 23 August 2011 09:13:29AM 2 points [-]

though there are groups within the UK who see the BBC as very biased.

I'm rather inclined to agree with them, but then again I general only here about something on the BBC when someone calls attention to their egregiously biased coverage of something.

Comment author: DavidAgain 23 August 2011 10:04:43AM 2 points [-]

Yep: I imagine most people generally hear the interesting and therefore usually bad news about foreign media - and to a degree politics.

To be honest, I think the BBC is biased, just in an accidental, cultural way, not a conspiracy or corruption as such. People in that sort of outfit in this country tend to be a certain sort of person, thinking in certain sort of ways.

You also have the problem of what counts as bias. Should an unbiased broadcaster sit in the middle of public opinion, avoid anything that can be taken as showing a side at all (impossible), treat all sides of every argument as equal or go with some sort of expert consensus? The BBC seems to flit between them, sometimes trying to show balance by giving an equal platform to scientific consensus and nutjobbery, and sometimes having quite a clear 'these are the facts and the informed people know it whether the general public does or not' approach.