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Comment author: handoflixue 25 August 2011 12:31:50AM 7 points [-]

This comes off very strongly as the typical bureaucratic protectiveness - a business doesn't want to share raw data, because raw data is a valuable resource. If you came out and said this was the reason, I'd be more understanding, but it would still feel like a major violation of community norms to be so secretive.

If simple secrecy is indeed the case, I would urge you, please, be honest about this motive and say so explicitly! At least then we are having an honest discussion, and the rest of this comment can be disregarded.

We collected lots of data before and during minicamp

In short, what is the reason you can't share this RAW data, which you state you collected, and which you've presumably found sufficient for your own preliminary conclusions? I don't think Silas is asking for or expecting an elegant power-point presentation or a concise statistical analysis - I know I would personally love to simply see raw data.

Is there truly not a single spreadsheet or writeup that you could drop up for us to study while you collect the rest of the data?

Comment author: lukeprog 25 August 2011 12:49:44AM *  8 points [-]

Oh, sure. The reason is easy to communicate. We explicitly told minicampers that their feedback on the exit survey would be private and anonymous, for maximal incentive to be direct and honest. We are not going to violate that agreement. The testimonials were given via a separate form with permission granted to publish THAT data publically.

Comment author: handoflixue 25 August 2011 12:57:28AM 1 point [-]

Oh, sure. The reason is easy to communicate. We explicitly told minicampers that their feedback on the exit survey would be private and anonymous, for maximal incentive to be direct and honest.

I'm unclear, then, why you are citing a lack of staff hours if the data cannot be published at all.

The testimonials were given via a separate form with permission granted to publish THAT data publically.

Has the raw testimonial data been published?

I'm assuming you have data beyond exit surveys and testimonials...?

Comment author: lukeprog 25 August 2011 01:16:34AM 9 points [-]

A summary of the data can be published, for example median scores for measured values. But the data can't be published in raw form.

Not sure if raw testimonial data has been published yet. We do have data beyond testimonials and exit surveys, but that, too, requires precious staff hours to compile and write up, and it is still in the process of being collected.

Typing this stuff from a phone, pardon the brevity...