Raemon comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 8 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raemon 01 September 2011 04:11:41AM 10 points [-]

There seems to be an inverse correlation between how much Eliezer likes his chapters and how much I like them. (My favorite chapter is 47)I thought 75 was great. No, it wasn't as funny. It was chapter 74's job to be funny, and chapter 75's job to touch on some serious issues, and that doesn't make it worse.

I really liked Hermione and Harry sitting and talking through their issues in an adult manner. Literature could use more of than and less indignant yelling like the fourth-year-girls recommend.

(In general I also like chapters with lots of dialog. I feel like we get the most character-development-per-pound that way.)

Comment author: BenLowell 02 September 2011 05:34:41AM 28 points [-]

I just like how often not communicating is used in fiction as a false way of creating conflict, but Eliezer shows that you can still have a story (with conflict!) when people try and understand each other.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 September 2011 06:39:51AM 14 points [-]

This is something I hadn't realized explicitly until you pointed it out. But yes, lazy authors don't bother to give their characters conflicting goals or personalities or deep beliefs, so they give them conflicting surface beliefs and then come up with bad excuses for them not to communicate.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 05 September 2011 12:05:12PM 6 points [-]

But people do hold conflicting surface beliefs and refuse to communicate...

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 05 September 2011 05:46:54PM *  8 points [-]

But people do hold conflicting surface beliefs and refuse to communicate...

Certain kinds of stupidity may be common and yet too stupid to be a source of interesting conflict in fiction.

Comment author: lessdazed 05 September 2011 02:12:47PM *  6 points [-]

Real life isn't a coherent narrative. Realistic fiction would look and sound something like this. Good authors avoid doing that, except in parody.

Comment author: CronoDAS 07 September 2011 11:18:26AM *  2 points [-]

Good authors avoid doing that, except in parody.

O RLY?

Comment author: Raemon 02 September 2011 05:37:10AM 1 point [-]

That too!

Comment author: wedrifid 01 September 2011 06:04:54PM 6 points [-]

I really liked Hermione and Harry sitting and talking through their issues in an adult manner. Literature could use more of than and less indignant yelling like the fourth-year-girls recommend.

Defnitely. What is the point of getting into yelling matches when the physiological arousal that comes with it cannot even be then channeled into makeup sex?