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Comment author: sam0345 02 September 2011 07:09:00PM *  4 points [-]

but MM actually goes ahead and describes what the world would look like for this to be true - there would be a Palestinian lobby which dwarfs AIPAC and J-Street in size. And he doesn't notice the world he's describing isn't our own.

That is simply false. MM explains, or perhaps rationalizes, why the Palestinian lobby does not exist: He says that the Palestinian lobby does not exist, because the Palestinians are a proxy of the state department. According to MM the Palestinian lobby does not exist, because the Palestinians do not really exist as a group capable of rationally and selfishly following their own interests.

Which might be just rationalizing away an inconvenient fact, but does explain the curious anomaly that the Palestinians don't rationally and selfishly follow their own collective interests.

Comment author: AlexM 03 September 2011 01:09:16AM 0 points [-]

Is there any nation that "rationally and selfishly follows its collective interest"?

Comment author: sam0345 03 September 2011 03:27:11AM 2 points [-]

Nations are less rational and self interested than individuals, but rationality and self interest is for the most part a rough approximation, as good as a spherical cow. It is a quite good approximation for monarchies such as Qatar and the former Lichtenstein. It is a very bad approximation to Palestinian behavior.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 September 2011 04:14:42AM 1 point [-]

Is there any nation that "rationally and selfishly follows its collective interest"?

It is safe to say that there isn't. The rest of us would have been left or overwhelmed within months.

Comment author: red75 03 September 2011 04:48:15AM *  1 point [-]

Huh? Do you think that selfishness unambiguously means: dominate Earth (or what left of it) as fast as possible?

Comment author: wedrifid 03 September 2011 08:17:17AM 0 points [-]

No.