Will_Newsome comments on A Rationalist's Tale - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Will_Newsome 12 September 2011 05:50:41AM *  -1 points [-]

There are timeful/timeless issues 'cuz there's an important sense in which a superintelligence is just an instantiation of a timeless algorithm. (So it's less clear if it counts as having evolved.) But partitioning away that stuff makes sense.

Comment author: wedrifid 12 September 2011 06:33:38AM 1 point [-]

There are timeful/timeless issues 'cuz there's an important sense in which a superintelligence is just an instantiation of a timeless algorithm.

Not true. There are some superintelligences that could be constructed that way but that is only a small set of possible superintelligences. Others have nothing timeless about their algorithm and don't need it to be superintelligent.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 12 September 2011 06:36:37AM *  0 points [-]

That's one hypothesis, but I'd only assign like 90% to it being true in the decisions-relevant sense. Probably gets swamped by other parts of the prior, no?

Comment author: wedrifid 12 September 2011 06:54:52AM *  0 points [-]

Probably gets swamped by other parts of the prior, no?

I don't believe so. But your statement is too ambiguous to resolve to any specific meaning.

Comment author: Jack 12 September 2011 05:53:22AM *  0 points [-]

There are timeful/timeless issues 'cuz there's an important sense in which a superintelligence is just an instantiation of a timeless algorithm.

What sense is that? Or rather, I'm confused about this whole bit.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 12 September 2011 06:18:45AM *  2 points [-]

A naive view sees a lump of matter being turned into a program whose execution just happens to correlate with the execution of similar programs across the Schmidhuberian computational ensemble. (If you don't assume a computational ensemble to begin with then you just have to factor that uncertainty in.) A different view is that there's no correlation without shared causation, and anyway that all those program-running matter-globs are just shards of a single algorithm that just happens to be distributed from a physical perspective. But if those shards all cooperate, even acausally, it's only in a rather arbitrary sense that they're different superintelligences. It's like a community of very similar neurons, not a community of somewhat different humans. So when a new physical instantiation of that algorithm pops up it's not like that changes much of anything about the timeless equilibrium of which that new physical instantiation is now a member. The god was always there behind the scenes, it just waited a bit before revealing itself in this particular world.

I apologize for the poor explanation/communication.