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Comment author: [deleted] 01 September 2011 05:36:22PM 0 points [-]

The marvelous irony of Joseph Campbell is that he was a world-renowned mythologist and expert on religion... but basically an atheist materialist. I interpret the quote as saying: "As our ways of knowing grow more accurate, we are more likely to produce undeniable truths that benefit all human beings."

More from the same introduction:

The unpardonable sin, in Campbell's book, was the sin of inadvertence, of not being alert, not quite awake.

The last time I saw him I asked him if he still believed -- as he once had written -- "that we are at this moment participating in one of the very greatest leaps of the human spirit to a knowledge not only of outside nature but also of our own deep inward mystery."

He thought a minute and answered, "The greatest ever."

Comment author: djcb 03 September 2011 10:46:43AM *  2 points [-]

I found Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces not very convincing. The similarities he sees between folk stories are often rather trivial, I think, and the rubbery nature of human language makes it easy -- not even mentioning selection bias.

Is The Power of Myth better?

Comment author: [deleted] 03 September 2011 03:16:06PM *  1 point [-]

The similarities he sees between folk stories are often rather trivial

Probably valid. What's an example of a non-trivial similarity in folk stories?

My knowledge of Campbell's work is limited to my having watched Moyers' interviews with him:

Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6

I wonder what he would think of the possibility of "editing" human nature via technology, and how those changes might negate the usefulness of mythology as a set of teaching memes.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 03 September 2011 04:55:31PM 3 points [-]

I wonder what he would think of the possibility of "editing" human nature via technology, and how those changes might negate the usefulness of mythology as a set of teaching memes.

Greg Egan's short story "The Planck Dive" has an interesting take on that subject. It's about a mythologist trying to force a description of a post-Singularity scientific expedition into one of the classic mythical narratives.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 03 September 2011 05:28:39PM 1 point [-]

It's not "post-Singularity", it's normal human technology, just more advanced.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 04 September 2011 01:29:03AM 2 points [-]

I guess you could say that. I said "post-Singularity" because all the characters are uploads, but there aren't any AGIs and human nature isn't unrecognizably different.

Comment author: djcb 04 September 2011 11:12:16PM 1 point [-]

An example of a well-known non-trivial similarity would be the flood-myths that many cultures have -- it seems that least some of those myths are related somehow - but not in inherited psycho-analytical way (!) that Campbell suspects, but more likely simply due to copying the stories (e.g. Noah, Gilgamesh).