Raw_Power comments on Rationality Quotes September 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 18 September 2011 01:28:37AM 1 point [-]

Well, at least the bureaucratic inefficiencies are entirely incidental to the problem, and there's no evidence for corporate bureaucracies to be any better than public ones, so that factor... doesn't factor.

This claim is disputed, but I have negligible information either way.

As for the higher taxes... how much are you ready to pay so that, the day you catch some horrible disease, the public entity will be able to afford diverting enough of its resources to save you? What are you more afraid of, cancer and other potentially-fatal diseases that will eventually kill you, terrorism/invading armies/criminals/people trying to kill you, boredom...?

Personally, I say that universal health care would be worth the higher taxes. For any given person the answer depends on their utility function: the relative values assigned to freedom, avoidance of harm, happiness, life, fairness,etc.

... Actually that might be a neat reform. Budget decision by a combination of individual budget assignments by every citizen...

This sets off my Really Bad Idea alarm. I don't trust the aggregate decisions of individual citizens to add up to any kind of sane budget relative to their CEV. (Note: the following sentences are American-centric.) Probably research would get massively under-funded. Defense would probably be funded less than it is now, but that might well put it closer to the optimal value if it forced some cost-effectiveness increases.

Basically, each person would assign all their taxes to whatever they thought was most important, thus prioritizing programs according to how many people pick them as first choice, regardless of how many dollars it takes to make a given one work. The same kind of math used to discuss different voting/electoral college variants would inform this, I think, but I'm too lazy to look it up. And of course, if too much freedom was allowed in deciding, all companies and most people would decide to allocate their money to themselves.

Comment author: Raw_Power 18 September 2011 01:52:49AM *  0 points [-]

^Hm. That'd be some very near-sighted companies and people, don't you think? The Defending Your Doorstep fallacy etc. etc. Still, with some education fo the public ("Dear viewers, THIS is what would happen if everyone decided all the money should go to the Army right after a terrorist attack") and some patches (I can't imagine why people would put all their money into whatever they think is most important, rather than distributing it in an order of priorities: usually people's interests aren't so clear cut that they put one cause at such priority that the others become negligible... but if they did do that, just add a rule that there's only so much of your money you can dedicate to a specific type of endeavor and all endeavors related),.

This reminds me of Kino's Journey and the very neat simplisty solutions people used to their problems. The main reason those solutions failed was because the involved people were incrediby dumb at using them. The Democracy episode almost broke my willing suspension of disbelief, as did the Telepathy one. Are you familair with that story?

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 18 September 2011 02:26:19AM 1 point [-]

Re your 1st paragraph: you have a much higher opinion of human rationality than myself. I hope you're right, but I doubt it.

Re your second paragraph: I am currently watching Kino's Journey, and will respond later. Thanks for the reference, it sounds interesting.

Comment author: Raw_Power 18 September 2011 04:02:16PM 0 points [-]

Human rationality can be trained and improved, it's not an innate feature. To do that is part of the entire point of this site.

I hope you enjoy it. It is very interesting. Beware of generalizing from fictional evidence... but fiction is sometimes all we have to explore certain hypotheticals...

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 18 September 2011 08:03:10PM 0 points [-]

Human rationality can be trained and improved, it's not an innate feature. To do that is part of the entire point of this site.

True. Individual budget allocation would be a bad idea in present day America, but it wouldn't be a bad idea everywhere and for all time.