MichaelHoward comments on Rationality Quotes With Attributions Hidden: from Mein Kampf to Men****x - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MichaelHoward 29 September 2011 12:55:37AM 17 points [-]

Let us begin by committing ourselves to the truth to see it like it is, and tell it like it is, to find the truth, to speak the truth, and to live the truth.

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Comment author: MichaelHoward 29 September 2011 12:42:49PM *  5 points [-]

More authentic source

(Edit as this is getting downvoted: a request was made for better sourced quote to confirm authenticity, but I didn't want to just overwrite the original source as that would have unfairly made RichardKennaway's perfectly valid suspicions given the evidence he had at the time look rather odd).

Comment author: RichardKennaway 30 September 2011 07:36:42AM *  0 points [-]

Thank you for the source.

Nyy V xabj nobhg Avkba vf gung ur erfvtarq va qvftenpr gb nibvq vzcrnpuzrag sbe uvf ebyr va Jngretngr. Gung fcrrpu, sebz (cnhfr gb pbafhyg Jvxvcrqvn) sbhe lrnef orsber gubfr riragf vf n terng srfgbba bs nccynhfr yvtugf, juvpu bs pbhefr vg vf, orvat n cbyvgvpny ivpgbel fcrrpu. Naq va vgfrys gurer'f abguvat jebat jvgu gung. Gurer'f n gvzr sbe fubjvat nyy lbhe jbexvat naq n gvzr sbe vafcvevat qrpynzngvba bs lbhe pbapyhfvbaf.

But I'm curious to know how the original context is regarded by those closer to the matter. N zbahzragny fyno bs ulcbpevfl sebz n gubebhtutbvat fpbhaqery, be n tenaq fgngrzrag bs vqrnyf sebz n terng yrnqre yngre oebhtug ybj ol gur wnpxnyf bs gur yrsg?

Comment author: MichaelHoward 30 September 2011 10:30:36AM 1 point [-]

I can't believe you just straight out named the source!

Please rot13 this (the entire paragraph, it's a blatant clue).

Comment author: RichardKennaway 30 September 2011 10:50:44AM 1 point [-]

Done.

Comment author: MichaelHoward 30 September 2011 11:15:25AM 0 points [-]

Ur'f bsgra creprvirq nf n pynffvp rknzcyr bs plavpny qvfubarfgl fb vg frrzrq n tbbq dhbgr sbe guvf cntr. Vg unf n pbzcyrgryl qvssrerag zrnavat & vzcnpg nsgre gnxvat fbhepr & pbagrkg vagb nppbhag.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 29 September 2011 09:57:37AM 4 points [-]

Absent evidence that the author knows how to arrive at the truth, this is no more than an applause light. "Telling it like it is" is in public discourse usually used as a substitute for any real examination of how, in fact, it is.

Mouseover...

Well, there you are.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 29 September 2011 10:04:58AM 1 point [-]

(Replying to myself to avoid the "this comment was edited" mark.)

The link is to an unsourced quote, and Google just turns up repetitions of it. Given the striking relationship between the quote and the reputation of its purported utterer, I am inclined to doubt its authenticity; not because it sounds like something he wouldn't have said, or that he would have said, but because the idea that he said it is attractive enough to explain its repetition in quotes files everywhere.

Comment author: MichaelHoward 29 September 2011 12:56:16PM 3 points [-]

I was writing a reply arguing about fully general counterarguments & motivated skepticism, then I realized that doesn't make you wrong plus my reply was clearly guilty on both those points, so I deleted it and instead I've had a closer Google & replied to the original with a more authentic source.