atucker comments on Open Thread: September 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: atucker 05 September 2011 03:01:29PM -1 points [-]

Sorry about my last sentence in the previous post sounding dismissive, that was sloppy, and not representative of my views.

I guess my real issue with this is that I don't think that there's a 50% placebo, and disagree that the "declarative belief" does things directly. My anticipation of success or failure has an influence on my actions, but a 50% placebo I would imagine would work in real life based on hidden, unanticipated factors to the point that someone with accurate beliefs could say that "my anticipation contributes this much, X contributes this much, Y contributes this much, Z contributes this much, and given my x,y,z I anticipate this" and be pretty much correct.

In the least convenient possible universe, there seems to be enough hacks that rationality enables that I would reject the 50% placebo, and still net a win. I don't think we live in a universe where the majority of utility is behind 50% placebos.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 05 September 2011 06:36:35PM 0 points [-]

Why does everyone get stuck on that highly simplified example that I just made like that so that the math would be easy to follow?

Or are you simply saying that placebos and the like are an unavoidable cost of being a rationalist and we just have to deal with it and it's not that big a cost anyway?

Comment author: atucker 05 September 2011 06:52:11PM -1 points [-]

More the latter, with the added caveat that I think that there are fewer things falling under the category of "and the like" than you think there are.

I used to think that my social skills were being damaged by rationality, but then through a combination of "fake it till you make it", learning a few skills, and dissolving a few false dillemas, they're now better than they were pre-rationality.

If you want to go into more personal detail, feel free to PM.