Jack comments on Open Thread: September 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jack 12 September 2011 04:39:53AM 1 point [-]

I wonder if there aren't any group rationality games that don't seriously undermined group moral and cohesion. The last time I played Mafia people ended up crying and my relationship with my brother and cousin went through traumatic upheaval. Diplomacy is not a better option.

Comment author: katydee 13 September 2011 05:24:24AM 2 points [-]

This seems like an unusual experience to have. I have played Mafia with 3+ non-overlapping groups in person and 4+ non-overlapping groups online, and have yet to encounter any trouble; in fact, in two of the cases we were explicitly playing as a bonding exercise to improve group morale and cohesion, and it seems to have worked both times.

Comment author: ataftoti 13 September 2011 04:27:40AM *  1 point [-]

The last time I played Mafia people ended up crying

And what about the times before that?

Playing mafia has never undermined real social relationships in my experience, and I've introduced this game to perhaps 20 people in real life, with at least 2 completely non-overlapping groups.

Also, I doubt face-to-face mafia should be considered a game that especially exercises rationality. It seems to me that you get thrown a huge fuckton of cognitive biases with no time to combat them.

(again, my original question should specify "forum based mafia games"...let me edit that now...)

Comment author: Jack 13 September 2011 06:04:07AM 1 point [-]

On reflection, I think the problems came from the people in the group being too close. I have certainly had fun before. We may have also taken the game too seriously.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 13 September 2011 05:39:37AM 1 point [-]

It's more like it teaches a sort of mini-rationality: "You're swimming in cognitive biases, but your intuitions can also be helpful. Empirically develop a few techniques to separate good intuitions from bad with decent error probability."

Comment author: shokwave 13 September 2011 08:01:29AM 0 points [-]

It seems to me that you get thrown a huge fuckton of cognitive biases with no time to combat them.

In my experience playing with a rationality crowd (at a meet-up), it was excellent for learning the visceral feeling of motivated cognition.

Comment author: shokwave 12 September 2011 12:03:28PM 1 point [-]

I can report that playing Mafia at a meetup markedly improved group interaction. What impact this has on your position is unknown.

Comment author: lessdazed 12 September 2011 04:44:07AM 0 points [-]

Balderdash/Fictionary?