Cyan comments on The Brooklyn Society For Ethical Culture - Less Wrong

17 Post author: MBlume 03 April 2009 08:06AM

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Comment author: Annoyance 03 April 2009 06:36:02PM -2 points [-]

I have no interest in joining a church, period. It doesn't matter to me whether that church spouts theistic nonsense or humanistic nonsense. I'm interested in what groups teach and what they practice, not in their rituals or atmosphere.

Certainly a rationalist group could avail themselves of techniques that make people feel good about the group. But people who join the group for the sake of those feelings, or who wouldn't join if their feelings carefully massaged, aren't rationalists. Bringing those people into the fold can only distract us from what's important and dilute the message. Syncretism requires a sacrifice of the essential nature of at least one of the two incompatible things associated.

Comment author: Cyan 03 April 2009 10:45:19PM 1 point [-]

Bringing those people into the fold can only distract us from what's important and dilute the message.

This asserts a fact not in evidence, to wit, that people can't learn and change.

Comment author: Annoyance 04 April 2009 02:27:05PM -1 points [-]

If it's not the organization that causes them to learn (the right things) and change (to become more rational), we have no grounds for expecting that those things will happen.