grobstein comments on Rationality is Systematized Winning - Less Wrong

48 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 April 2009 02:41PM

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Comment author: ciphergoth 03 April 2009 08:02:46PM *  1 point [-]

Thank you, I too was curious.

We need names for these positions; I'd use hyper-rationalist but I think that's slightly different. Perhaps a consequentialist does whatever has the maximum expected utility at any given moment, and a meta-consequentialist is a machine built by a consequentialist which is expected to achieve the maximum overall utility at least in part through being trustworthy to keep commitments a pure consequentialist would not be able to keep.

I guess I'm not sure why people are so interested in this class of problems. If you substitute Clippy for my lift, and up the stakes to a billion lives lost later in return for two billion saved now, there you have a problem, but when it's human beings on a human scale there are good ordinary consequentialist reasons to honour such bargains, and those reasons are enough for the driver to trust my commitment. Does anyone really anticipate a version of this situation arising in which only a meta-consequentialist wins, and if so can you describe it?

Comment author: grobstein 03 April 2009 08:05:42PM *  2 points [-]

I very much recommend Reasons and Persons, by the way. A friend stole my copy and I miss it all the time.

Comment author: ciphergoth 04 April 2009 08:38:38AM 3 points [-]

OK, thanks!

Your friend stole a book on moral philosophy? That's pretty special!

Comment author: MichaelHoward 05 April 2009 02:18:47PM 3 points [-]
Comment author: gjm 03 April 2009 11:35:44PM 1 point [-]

It's still in print and readily available. If you really miss it all the time, why haven't you bought another copy?

Comment author: grobstein 03 April 2009 11:37:27PM 0 points [-]

It's $45 from Amazon. At that price, I'm going to scheme to steal it back first.

OR MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'M CRAAAZY AND DON'T ACT FOR REASONS!

Comment author: gjm 04 April 2009 12:35:49AM 2 points [-]

Gosh. It's only £17 in the UK.

(I wasn't meaning to suggest that you're crazy, but I did wonder about ... hmm, not sure whether there's a standard name for it. Being less prepared to spend X to get Y on account of having done so before and then lost Y. A sort of converse to the endowment effect.)

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 04 April 2009 06:51:48AM 2 points [-]

Mental accounting has that effect in the short run, but seems unlikely to apply here.