SoullessAutomaton comments on Rationality is Systematized Winning - Less Wrong

48 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 April 2009 02:41PM

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Comment author: timtyler 04 April 2009 12:44:07PM 5 points [-]

Re: "First, foremost, fundamentally, above all else: Rational agents should WIN."

In an attempt to summarise the objections, there seem to be two fairly-fundamental problems:

  1. Rational agents try. They cannot necessarily win: winning is an outcome, not an action;

  2. "Winning" is a poor synonym for "increasing utility": sometimes agents should minimise their losses.

"Rationalists maximise expected utility" would be a less controversial formulation.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 04 April 2009 01:06:06PM 2 points [-]

"Rationalists maximise expected utility" would be a less controversial formulation.

But, alas, less catchy.

Comment author: timtyler 04 April 2009 01:22:38PM 5 points [-]

As contagious memes go, "rationalists should win" seems to be rather pathogenic to me. A proposed rationalist slogan shouldn't need so many footnotes. For the sake of minds everywhere, I think it would be best to try to kill it off in its early stages.