Normal_Anomaly comments on Rationality is Systematized Winning - Less Wrong

48 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 April 2009 02:41PM

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Comment author: ciphergoth 04 April 2009 01:13:32PM 3 points [-]

I agree with your two problems, but the problem with your alternative and so many others presented here is that it doesn't so strongly speak to the distinction which EY means to draw, between wanting to be seen to have followed the forms for maximising expected utility and actually seeking to maximise expected utility.

Also, of course, one who at each moment makes the decision that maximises expected future utility defects against Clippy in both Prisoner's Dilemma and Parfit's Hitchhiker scenarios, and arguably two-boxes against Omega, and by EY's definition that counts as "not winning" because of the negative consequences of Clippy/Omega knowing that that's what we do.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 08 June 2013 08:59:49PM 0 points [-]

Also, of course, one who at each moment makes the decision that maximises expected future utility defects against Clippy in both Prisoner's Dilemma and Parfit's Hitchhiker scenarios, and arguably two-boxes against Omega, and by EY's definition that counts as "not winning" because of the negative consequences of Clippy/Omega knowing that that's what we do.

I think I'm misunderstanding you here because this looks like a contradiction. Why does making the decision that maximizes expected utility necessarily have negative consequences? It sounds like you're working under a decision theory that involves preference reversals.

Comment author: ciphergoth 09 June 2013 09:44:25AM 1 point [-]

I'm talking about the difference between CDT, which stiffs the lift-giver in Parfit's Hitchhiker and so never gets a lift, and other decision theories.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 10 June 2013 10:40:07PM 0 points [-]

Oh, I see. I thought you were saying an optimal decision theory stiffed the lift-giver.

Comment author: ciphergoth 11 June 2013 09:58:45AM 0 points [-]

I hope I've become clearer in the four years since I wrote that!

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 03 July 2013 08:02:23PM 0 points [-]

. . . did not notice the date-stamp. Good thing thread necros are allowed here.