ciphergoth comments on Rationality is Systematized Winning - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 08 June 2013 08:59:49PM 0 points [-]

Also, of course, one who at each moment makes the decision that maximises expected future utility defects against Clippy in both Prisoner's Dilemma and Parfit's Hitchhiker scenarios, and arguably two-boxes against Omega, and by EY's definition that counts as "not winning" because of the negative consequences of Clippy/Omega knowing that that's what we do.

I think I'm misunderstanding you here because this looks like a contradiction. Why does making the decision that maximizes expected utility necessarily have negative consequences? It sounds like you're working under a decision theory that involves preference reversals.

Comment author: ciphergoth 09 June 2013 09:44:25AM 1 point [-]

I'm talking about the difference between CDT, which stiffs the lift-giver in Parfit's Hitchhiker and so never gets a lift, and other decision theories.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 10 June 2013 10:40:07PM 0 points [-]

Oh, I see. I thought you were saying an optimal decision theory stiffed the lift-giver.

Comment author: ciphergoth 11 June 2013 09:58:45AM 0 points [-]

I hope I've become clearer in the four years since I wrote that!

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 03 July 2013 08:02:23PM 0 points [-]

. . . did not notice the date-stamp. Good thing thread necros are allowed here.