pedanterrific comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 9 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Alex_Altair 29 October 2011 07:47:36AM 1 point [-]

Cranial capacity is about the same (reference wikipedia in my original comment). Also, our knowledge of their tool use is somewhat moot if we don't even know anything about a super advanced civilization. As in, what else are we missing about the past? The point about Africans is the strongest.

Comment author: pedanterrific 29 October 2011 08:55:48AM 6 points [-]

As to the second point (archaeological evidence):

Severus shrugged. "From the rumors I have heard, Headmaster, Muggle weapons are only slightly worse than the more... recondite aspects of wizardry -"

"Worse?" gasped Minerva, and then shut her mouth as though by force.

"Worse than any peril left in these fading years," said Albus. "Not worse than that which erased Atlantis from Time."

What's worse than nukes? Balefire.

Comment author: Nornagest 10 February 2012 02:39:07AM *  0 points [-]

There's a decent chance you already know this, but that bit is probably a reference to Harry Potter and the Wastelands of Time. I don't think that fic describes what did its Atlantis in in any great detail (though it's been a year or two since I read it), but whatever it was, it was probably an apocalypse of subtype dug too deep and awakened an ancient evil. All the absurdly lethal skeletal guardians left lying around seem to point in that direction, at least.

On the other hand, there's enough references to D&D magic floating around that balefire wouldn't be too outré.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 February 2012 02:18:15AM 0 points [-]

Balefire's not even that bad, unless you're the Dragon Reborn and can balefire back more than a couple minutes.

Comment author: pedanterrific 10 February 2012 12:04:14PM 1 point [-]

That's not really fair. Balefire didn't get its bad reputation from Rand wiping out cities with it until the universe destabilized.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 February 2012 03:51:20PM 0 points [-]

My point was that you have to be a ridiculously powerful wielder of the One Power before being able to weave balefire stronger than a nuke. There's probably only a handful of people in the series that can do it, now that the Choedan Kal is broken.

Comment author: Desrtopa 10 February 2012 04:40:54PM 0 points [-]

But there's no shortage of people who could accomplish it cooperatively, if you get male and female channelers working together.

I'm sure that in Wheel of Time there were plenty of ways to obliterate a city with the One Power back in the Age of Legends. The issue isn't that it can obliterate cities, but that if you use it for wholesale destruction like that, unlike, say, explosions, it fucks up the very fabric of reality.

Comment author: gwern 10 February 2012 02:19:44AM 0 points [-]

Just get a circle of men and women...

Comment author: [deleted] 10 February 2012 02:21:07AM *  0 points [-]

No evidence that circle can weave balefire. But haven't read books after Crossroads, so maybe it appears later.

Comment author: Desrtopa 11 February 2012 02:14:44AM *  0 points [-]

Is there any evidence that there are things which can be woven individually which can't be woven by circles? I don't remember any.

Comment author: thomblake 10 February 2012 02:11:47AM 0 points [-]

Balefire.

I'd say you're looking at the wrong canon, but that's never stopped Eliezer before.