Will_Newsome comments on Rational Communication - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 10 September 2011 11:00:44AM *  3 points [-]

These are perhaps good pointers for communicating with normal people, but go against a number of useful things that you should be able to do to communicate more efficiently, with someone you can cooperate with in that regard, or teach to get better at eventually:

  • Interrupting to fix (point out) a technical problem with reasoning, that would be forgotten and ignored as insignificant otherwise. Persisting at this leads to gradual improvement. (For example, fighting the many faces of rationalization the moment it's detected, or problems with misusing words.)
  • Interrupting an explanation that doesn't help you, that you don't accept and won't benefit from for one reason or another, getting the conversation back on track or reframing it.
  • Make sure you understand details of the described idea, and not just the outline. Summarizing at the end only checks the outline and ignores the texture.
  • I concur that approving/disapproving is not a good idea, but for a different reason, for you should point out considerations that you think relevant and expect the other didn't take into account, which can change the conclusion.
  • Confronting emotionally-driven reasoning helps with developing a measure of immunity to it, and ability to notice. People can be at their craziest when driven by emotion, so it's particularly important to notice when you are so influenced and take sufficient precautions to confound the craziness.
  • Above all these is, of course, educating people about the basic concepts that would allow communicating the nature of the problem when it manifests.
Comment author: Will_Newsome 10 September 2011 02:57:18PM 3 points [-]

In a similar vein: correctly diagnosing at what level someone is confused. It's way too easy to correct a surface level imperfection when you know that they're moving in entirely the wrong way. Teaching people how to play chess or how to play guitar probably helps with this since everything is so concrete; it's extra important to do right when philosophilizering or whenever you're discussing something abstract.