Matt_Simpson comments on Morality is not about willpower - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 07 October 2011 04:06:24AM 0 points [-]

I didn't downvote you; but generally, people downvote positions that they don't like. Even on LessWrong.

What's valuable, what I find I can learn from, is comments people make. The principal component of the down/up vote count on a post or a comment is how much what you said agrees with the dominant memes on LessWrong.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 07 October 2011 04:13:24AM 5 points [-]

I don't think this is true. Speaking for myself, I've upvote quite frequently comments I disagree with in part or in whole. For example, I upvoted Hyena's remark here even though I disagreed with it. (In fact, further discussion strongly supported Hyena's claim. But my upvote came before that discussion.)

I have a fair number of other examples of this.

I don't think that I'm at all unique in this. I've made multiple comments about why I think AI going foom is unlikely and discussing what I consider to be serious problems with cryonics. Almost every single one has been upvoted sometimes quite highly.

Comment author: torekp 09 October 2011 04:07:48PM 0 points [-]

I've heard that we are supposed to upvote something if we want to see more like it on LessWrong. And that seems like a good rule of thumb. I usually upvote a post or comment before replying to it, because that typically means it's a subject I want more discussion on. And I comment more often when I have a disagreement, or at least feel that something's been left out.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 07 October 2011 04:29:45AM *  0 points [-]

Why do you sometimes upvote comments that you disagree with? Do you mean comments that make statements you agree with in support of positions you disagree with?

Comment author: JoshuaZ 07 October 2011 04:34:24AM 9 points [-]

I mean positions that I disagree with but make me think. This includes arguments that I had not considered that seem worthwhile to consider even if they aren't persuasive, and posts where even if the conclusions are wrong use interesting facts that I wasn't aware of, or posts that while I disagree with parts have other good points in them. Sometimes I will upvote a comment I disagree with simply because it is a demonstration of extreme civility in a highly controversial issue (so for example some of the recent discussions on gender issues I was impressed enough with the cordiality and thoughtfulness of people arguing different positions that I upvoted a lot of the comments).

In general, if a comment makes me think and makes me feel like reading it was a useful way to spend my time, I'll upvote it.

Comment author: lessdazed 10 October 2011 09:17:38AM *  2 points [-]

Of all the votes I've given I don't recall thinking my being hungry, or distracted, or etc. was a deciding factor, but those things are reasons as much as my sensible half-rationalizations that are also real reasons.