TimFreeman comments on Morality is not about willpower - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TimFreeman 10 October 2011 06:56:45PM -2 points [-]

The fallacy is the one I just described: attaching a utility function post hoc to what the system does and does not do.

A fallacy is a false statement. (Not all false statements are fallacies; a fallacy must also be plausible enough that someone is at risk of being deceived by it, but that doesn't matter here.) "Attaching a utility function post hoc to what the system does and does not do" is an activity. It is not a statement, so it cannot be false, and it cannot be a fallacy. You'll have to try again if you want to make sense here.

The TSUF is not a utility function.

It a function that maps world-states to utilities, so it is a utility function. You'll have to try again if you want to make sense here too.

We're nearly at the point where it's not worth my while to listen to you because you don't speak carefully enough. Can you do something to improve, please? Perhaps get a friend to review your posts, or write things one day and reread them the next before posting, or simply make an effort not to say things that are obviously false.

Comment author: lessdazed 10 October 2011 07:26:39PM 7 points [-]

A fallacy is a false statement

Not a pattern of an invalid argument?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 11 October 2011 08:02:08AM 0 points [-]

Tim, lessdazed has just spoken for me.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 12 October 2011 10:58:12AM 1 point [-]

A fallacy is a false statement.

It a function that maps world-states to utilities, so it is a utility function.

As lessdazed has said, that is simply not what the word "fallacy" means. Neither is a utility function, in the sense of VNM, merely a function from world states to numbers; it is a function from lotteries over outcomes to numbers that satisfies their axioms. The TSUF does not satisfy those axioms. No function whose range includes 0, 1, and nothing in between can satisfy the VNM axioms. The range of a VNM utility function must be an interval of real numbers.

We're nearly at the point where it's not worth my while to listen to you because you

Ignored.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 11 October 2011 08:09:01AM 1 point [-]

We're nearly at the point where it's not worth my while to listen to you because you don't speak carefully enough.

Perhaps you are not reading carefully enough.