thomblake comments on Morality is not about willpower - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jack 19 October 2011 04:47:26PM *  6 points [-]

I'm rather curious where the whole ethics-morality distinction came from. It seems to be a rather recent and non-specialist usage. I remember being dimly aware of such a distinction before college and then it sort of disappeared once I started studying philosophy where ethics is just the name of the subfield that studies moral questions. I'm really thrown off when people confidently assert the distinction as if were obvious to all English speakers. I'm guessing the usage as something to do with the rise of professional codes of ethics -- for lawyers, doctors, social workers etc. So you now have dramatic depictions of characters violating 'ethical codes' for the sake of what is right (recently Dr. House, any David E. Kelley legal drama, though I'm sure it goes farther back than that). As a result 'code of ethics' sometimes refers to a set of pseudo-legal professional restrictions which has given the word 'ethics' this strange connotation. But I don't see any particular reason to embrace the connotation since the specialist vocabulary of philosophers doesn't regularly employ any such distinction. I'm all for fiddling with philosophical vocabulary to fix confusions. Philosophers do lots of things wrong. But I don't think a morality-ethics distinction clarifies much-- that usage of ethics just isn't what we're talking about at all.

Phil's usage is totally consistent with the specialist vocabulary here (though definitely his use of "meta-ethics" and "normative ethics" is not).

Comment author: thomblake 20 October 2011 03:47:05PM 2 points [-]

I'm rather curious where the whole ethics-morality distinction came from. It seems to be a rather recent and non-specialist usage.

Indeed, the distinction is not at all clear in language. Most philosophers of ethics I've talked to prefer to 1) use the words interchangeably, or 2) stipulatively define a distinction for the purposes of a particular discussion. In the wild, I've seen people assume distinctions between ethics and morality in both directions; what some call "ethics" others call "morality" and vice-versa.

Comment where I enumerate some common definitions