Khoth comments on What does it take? - Less Wrong

2 Post author: Hyena 12 September 2011 01:59PM

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Comment author: Khoth 12 September 2011 03:05:49PM *  7 points [-]

If you aren't starting with a prior of 0 or demanding a posterior of 1, what's the problem?

If you are, you're doing it wrong.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 12 September 2011 03:16:29PM *  5 points [-]

If you aren't starting with a prior of 0 or demanding a posterior of 1, what's the problem?

Strictly speaking this isn't the only way you can be not convinced. I can assign a non-zero prior to something even if there's no evidence that can cause me to update. Pick some non-falsifiable hypothetical entity whose sole behavior is that it doesn't interact with the universe in any testable way. I can consistently assign a non-zero probability to its existence (and in fact can consistently assign any probability I choose) but no matter what probability I start with you won't be able to make me update my probability.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 13 September 2011 08:14:18AM *  2 points [-]

Not necessarily. For example, if I showed you a theory of physics that's simpler if you postulate such an entity's existence, you might very well update your estimate due to Occam's razor.

This, incidentally, is what Eliezer's argument for many worlds boils down to.

Comment author: Hyena 12 September 2011 03:13:42PM 3 points [-]

Well, that's kind of the issue I kept thinking about: does the situation secretly rely on a contradiction or tautology to drive the result?

Comment author: Khoth 12 September 2011 03:51:18PM 4 points [-]

As other people have pointed out, there's evidence like your funeral and explanations of the actual laws of physics. Is there some reason to believe that things like that couldn't bring your posterior probability up to a reasonable level?

Comment author: Hyena 12 September 2011 10:02:54PM 0 points [-]

I don't see how this would sufficiently raise my PP, however. It seems like I'd get a stronger belief in a simulation argument in tandem with any increased belief in an afterlife. Rules of reason would have me siding with simulation every time, it seems,