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Comment author: Alex_Altair 13 September 2011 02:32:44AM 0 points [-]

I've seen someone on LW use gender-neutral pronouns "ve" and "ver". Is there a discussion about this anywhere?

Comment author: lessdazed 13 September 2011 04:39:19AM 11 points [-]

There are discussions about this everywhere, Cthulhu eat us first.

Comment author: Tesseract 14 September 2011 10:14:28PM 1 point [-]

Is that supposed to be the Lovecraftian variation on 'God help us'?

Comment author: Raemon 13 September 2011 08:04:15PM 0 points [-]

The ones that I find don't stick out awkwardly (which I've seen around here, I think a few different posters) is to either use "their" (it's really not that big a deal. I've never had someone call me out for "bad grammar" when using it without drawing attention to it), or "e" and "er" replacing she/he and his/her. They feel more natural to me than ve/ver/ze/zer/whatever, and because they look more like common typos than actual words the brain tends to skip over them completely.

Comment author: Alex_Altair 13 September 2011 09:07:54PM 1 point [-]

That's an interesting observation... maybe that's an easy way to transition to them. Then again, people will assume "e" is a typo for "he", and that "er" is a typo for "her".

Comment author: shokwave 21 September 2011 11:34:37AM 2 points [-]

Data point: I have trained myself to naturally write using third person (their / they / them) in a grammatically ambiguous singular / plural sense. I find if you think about the example you're going to use for ten seconds before you start writing, it is usually possible to start with an example that 'sounds natural' with third person pronouns.

(I did this because someone once, during a discussion about gender and sexuality norms, compared specifying gender to specifying sexuality. I thought, "it would be weird to talk about someone's sexuality unless it was strictly relevant to what you were saying" and then couldn't help finding specifying gender to be equally odd. Here's hoping you find it odd too.)

I still fall prey to using gendered pronouns when the discussion is framed that way by someone else, though.

Comment author: Raemon 13 September 2011 10:33:13PM 1 point [-]

They probably will, but when they stop to pay more attention they may notice that you used them both in the same sentence, and did the same thing througout your entire essay. I think it works as a reasonable middle ground.

I'm just going off my own experience though. I'm curious if there's a way to effectively test how people react.