Sewing-Machine comments on Case study: Folding@home - Less Wrong

12 Post author: gwern 15 September 2011 06:55PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 15 September 2011 09:00:03PM 6 points [-]

In your cost analysis, you're comparing how much electricity is used by folding@home to the number zero. But your thesis is that participants in folding-at-home are doing so to pursue status. Isn't it important to consider how much electricity is used by alternative forms of status-seeking? This is hard to quantify, but the counterfactual world where there is no status-seeking, or even where there is less status-seeking, is sort of hard to imagine.

Each terawatt-hour of coal kills 15 people

By the way is this number available in QALYs?

Comment author: gwern 15 September 2011 09:09:44PM 1 point [-]

Isn't it important to consider how much electricity is used by alternative forms of status-seeking? This is hard to quantify, but the counterfactual world where there is no status-seeking, or even where there is less status-seeking, is sort of hard to imagine.

I see it more as a fake-altruism-signaling game - eliminate the harmful signal (Folding@home), and the activities aren't 100% displaced into other activities, more or less harmful (I don't think the demand is inelastic); to put it another way, https://www.xkcd.com/871/

By the way is this number available in QALYs?

I didn't see QALYs mentioned. My general understanding is that air pollution disproportionately hurts the old, so the QALY loss is not so bad as it could be, but then, the comparison is to interventions in Africa focused on kids, who have many more potential QALYs than old Westerners... so I suspect on net it strengthens the case against Folding@home.

Comment author: Clarity 08 February 2016 11:11:46AM 0 points [-]

I think there there are many forgone QALY's for the young due to air pollution that are just too hard to measure! My dream girl lives in Bangkok and doesn't want to leave it...but I don't want to live there because of the pollution and culture of scamming foreigners!