CarlShulman comments on On dollars, utility, and crack cocaine - Less Wrong

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Comment author: CarlShulman 04 April 2009 11:49:43PM *  5 points [-]

Screwing over your future selves because of hyperbolic discounting, or other people because of scope insensitivity, isn't obviously a failure of instrumental rationality except insofar as one is defecting in a Prisoner's Dilemma (which often isn't so) and rationality counts against that.

Those 'biases' look essential to the shapes of our utility functions, to the extent that we have them.

Comment author: steven0461 05 April 2009 12:17:29AM *  5 points [-]

Screwing over other people because of scope insensitivity is a failure of instrumental rationality if (and not only if) you also believe that the importance of someone's not being screwed over does not depend strongly on what happens to people unconnected to that person.

Comment author: CarlShulman 05 April 2009 12:41:15AM 2 points [-]

Steve, once people are made aware of larger scopes, they are less willing to pay the same amount of money to have effects with smaller scopes. See the references at this OB post.

Comment author: Z_M_Davis 05 April 2009 12:13:50AM *  3 points [-]

Those 'biases' look essential to the shapes of our utility functions, to the extent that we have them.

This issue deserves a main post. Cf. also Michael Wilson on "Normative reasoning: a Siren Song?"

Comment author: CarlShulman 05 April 2009 12:30:15AM *  2 points [-]

Thanks for the link, although it's addressing related but different issues. A hyperbolic discounter can assent to 'locking in' a fixed mapping of times and discount factors in place of the indexical one. Then the future selves will agree about the relative value of stuff happening at different times, placing highest value on the period right after the lock-in.