CharlesR comments on Intro-level training materials for rationality / critical thinking - Less Wrong

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Comment author: CharlesR 20 September 2011 02:42:01PM 1 point [-]

Why no mention of the Sequences?

Comment author: tetsuo55 20 September 2011 07:39:49PM 1 point [-]

Because it is intro-level material. The sequences require a strong base to read/understand and a lot of endurance

Comment author: Bobertron 20 September 2011 08:05:19PM *  0 points [-]

The sequences require a strong base to read/understand and a lot of endurance

I won't argue with endurance, but what do you mean with "strong base"? Where in the sequences are you expected to already know something that's not part of the sequences? I've read most of it (didn't care to learn about quantum physics) and don't remember such a thing.

Comment author: tetsuo55 20 September 2011 08:33:15PM *  1 point [-]

I don't know math, quantum mechanics or philosophy, i had to open 10-20 pages of references and google searches to follow what was going on(per individual sequence page).

It reads as though it is assumed that you are a AI graduate.

Its also strongly aimed/influenced by american culture, so some things are weird for us Europeans.

Comment author: pedanterrific 20 September 2011 08:39:57PM *  4 points [-]

(Is there such a thing as an "AI graduate"?)

You know, while I appreciated the pop culture (and cult-classic culture) references in the Sequences while I was reading them, probably because I got almost all of them, I can definitely see the argument that they reduce accessibility for a wider audience.

Comment author: Bobertron 20 September 2011 09:09:21PM 2 points [-]

I don't know math, quantum mechanics or philosophy

Perhaps I'm used to read on, even if I might miss something. I know a bit of math, and there are a few posts that benefit from that, but only a few. I don't know much philosophy either (except the sequences, of course).

i had to open 10-20 pages of references and google searches to follow what was going on(per individual sequence page).

Let's take Making Beliefs Pay Rent (in (Anticipated Experiences) as an example. What would you have to look up there? And don't say "colonial alienation" ;-). For me it might be phlogiston and elan-vital. But A) understanding those words is hardly essential for understanding the post and B) they are explained somewhere else in the sequences (I never said navigating them were easy).

Its also strongly aimed/influenced by american culture, so some things are weird for us Europeans.

I'm European and I don't really know what you mean.

Comment author: tetsuo55 27 September 2011 08:44:04PM 0 points [-]

i have tried the read-on thing on 2 pages and it made it even worse, so i dropped back to the opening pages tactic. That page you mention is actually one of the better ones although using examples like "Wulky Wilkinsen" and post utopianism made no sense to me. Having things explained elsewhere is a big problem imho, but i intend to devote some time to help fix that.

You may have been exposed to enough american culture by tv, movie, shows and books to not get overwhelmed by them?

Comment author: Bobertron 28 September 2011 09:29:01AM 0 points [-]

using examples like "Wulky Wilkinsen" and post utopianism made no sense to me

That's sort of the point. The words "post utopianism" and "colonial alienation" don't mean anything.

You may have been exposed to enough american culture by tv, movie, shows and books to not get overwhelmed by them?

Most movies and even tv-shows that run in Germany are actually American. Books might be more of a problem, but if it's a classic like the Christmas Carole, there is a Simpsons episode about it :)