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45 Post author: lukeprog 21 September 2011 06:09PM

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Comment author: lukeprog 21 September 2011 07:31:48PM 22 points [-]

Use fungibility. You want access to research, and you want knowledge to be more free.

So pay $50 for a book that will save you two dozen hours of research, and then spend a dozen of those hours writing blog posts and tweets telling other people exactly which easy steps they can take to promote open journals and so on. That accomplishes your goals a lot better than not paying for the book.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 22 September 2011 02:30:17AM 23 points [-]

Or buy the journal article and upload it... you'd think there'd be better centralized pirated repositories of science by now.

Comment author: lukeprog 22 September 2011 02:53:21AM 18 points [-]

My site is slowly becoming one. :)

Comment author: JoshuaZ 22 September 2011 02:34:49AM 10 points [-]

The set of people who want journal access is very small compared to the set of people who want free movies, music or tv shows. Moreover, most of the people who will benefit from journal access are people who have university access. (Although there is an issue there that this is much more difficult for small schools.) So there's not that much market for it.

Comment author: SilasBarta 22 September 2011 02:42:38AM 3 points [-]

You could say the same thing about textbooks, thereby proving that avaxhome.ws doesn't exist.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 22 September 2011 02:50:17AM 11 points [-]

There are a lot more undergrads that want basic textbooks than there are people who want to read research papers.

Comment author: SilasBarta 22 September 2011 02:52:52AM *  2 points [-]

Undergrads typically need the physical textbook, not just an electronic one, for example to use in an open book test. (Though I was mainly trying to smuggle in a mention of a pirate site that does cater to autodidacts ...)

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 22 September 2011 07:33:59AM *  9 points [-]

I have a Bachelor's degree and I've never either had an open-book test in college, nor heard of anyone having one. (Though we did have a couple of "you may bring one A4 worth of your own notes" tests.)

Comment author: [deleted] 11 April 2012 10:10:29PM *  1 point [-]

It depends on where you are, among other things. In Italy, about 90% of the tests I've taken in university were open-book, but I spent one year as an exchange student in Ireland and none of the tests I took there were open-book.

Comment author: [deleted] 26 September 2011 01:26:25AM 1 point [-]

While I've never finished a Bachelor's, I did spend about two years at a university and open-book exams weren't unheard of at all.

Comment author: MBlume 22 September 2011 11:44:11PM 0 points [-]

Nearly every upper division physics final at UCI.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 23 September 2011 12:22:52AM 3 points [-]

Sorry, nearly every one of them fell into which category? I can parse your sentence as being open to textbooks, being not at all open or allowing you to bring your small bit of notes.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 23 September 2011 01:52:53AM 0 points [-]

Did any of them restrict the edition of the textbook?

Comment author: ZankerH 23 September 2011 12:20:59AM 2 points [-]

Instructors on my university had no problem with people bringing copied books to open-book exams.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 April 2012 10:14:32PM 1 point [-]

In most tests in my university, people are allowed to bring pretty much everything they want except other people and devices to communicate with the outside world.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 22 September 2011 03:01:14AM *  2 points [-]

Many classes don't have open book tests. This is especially true outside the sciences. The market is still much much larger than that for research papers.

Comment author: CharlesR 22 September 2011 03:31:00PM 1 point [-]

There is arXiv, but it's mainly physics.

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 22 September 2011 04:05:44PM *  5 points [-]

I doubt ArXiv considers the hosting of pirated content part of their mission or that they'd continue to host an article after receiving a valid DMCA takedown notice. In other words, I believe ArXiv depends on authors' restraining themselves from signing away their right to publish on ArXiv: physicists mostly engage in such restraint, but, e.g., chemists and medical researchers mostly do not.

ADDED. And over the course of ArXiv's existence, a significant fraction of authors have signed away the rights to the final post-peer-review version of their paper, which is why ArXiv has often been referred to as a preprint server.

Comment author: wedrifid 21 September 2011 08:58:20PM 9 points [-]

So pay $50 for a book that will save you two dozen hours of research, and then spend a dozen of those hours writing blog posts and tweets telling other people exactly which easy steps they can take to promote open journals and so on. That accomplishes your goals a lot better than not paying for the book.

Or, if you don't happen to predict that evangelism is the optimal strategy in the context then you can use the dozen hours writing up blog posts or papers that directly convey knowledge freely.