taw comments on Living bias, not thinking bias - Less Wrong

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Comment author: taw 23 September 2011 01:50:23PM -1 points [-]

I'm not convinced biases are real in either me or anybody else in realistic situations, as opposed to highly artificial laboratory setting.

Here are two very extreme "biases" of perception - they're shocking the first time you see them, and even if you know about them you can do absolutely nothing to reduce their power:

In laboratory setting we can use such "biases" to manipulate people, and make them fail tests. But these same "biases" actually help more often than hinder in real life.

Is there any serious evidence that "biases" are significantly harmful on average in nonartificial settings? This is the big unspoken assumption, but evidence is lacking.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 23 September 2011 02:23:04PM 6 points [-]
Comment author: JoshuaZ 23 September 2011 01:57:25PM 6 points [-]

The USSR relations + Poland invasion study shows that cognitive biases can substantially impact even experts in a field when making decisions. There are studies which show that doctors engage in the actual base rate fallacy.

Comment author: wedrifid 23 September 2011 02:05:01PM 7 points [-]

Is there any serious evidence that "biases" are significantly harmful on average in nonartificial settings? This is the big unspoken assumption, but evidence is lacking.

What the? Are you serious? People gamble on lotteries and smoke. Young males pay more for insurance than other groups.

Our entire civilization is 'artificial' from the perspective of our genetic heritage. Of course some of our biases are going to be a hindrance in everyday life.

Comment author: thomblake 23 September 2011 02:17:43PM 6 points [-]

None of that sounds to me like what was requested in the grandparent.

Sure, theoretically, biases are worse than perfect rationality. No problem there.

But in practice, is having a bunch of biases directing many of our actions significantly harmful on average, as compared to some other method of bounded rationality? I don't think I've seen a study on this.

Comment author: DSimon 23 September 2011 11:51:31PM 2 points [-]

But these same "biases" actually help more often than hinder in real life.

Can you provide some specific real examples of this?

Comment author: Vaniver 24 September 2011 01:46:22AM 5 points [-]

Many heuristics are sloppy, which only matters in edge cases, but much cheaper in standard use cases. Using them instead of thinking through things fully saves time and energy, though it's sometimes wrong.

Comment author: DSimon 25 September 2011 02:51:32PM *  1 point [-]

I don't know if that's usefully described as a "bias", though, provided that the person understands the tradeoffs of what they're doing. Properly used, heuristics (and other forms of estimation) lose precision, but not accuracy.