DSimon comments on Concepts Don't Work That Way - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DSimon 01 October 2011 04:22:07AM *  3 points [-]

[...]it seems that flexibility in meaning is useful for communication. I don't have to hunt for the exact right word, many approximate words will do, and I can describe new concepts by stretching an old one.

Yes, strongly agreed. This idea makes me want to think of adjectives as tugging a concept-defining region of thing-space in a new direction.

That works especially well in languages like Lojban, where adjectives and nouns are not distinguished from each other. For example there is "blanu" which means "x is blue" and there is "zdani' which means "x is a house", and you can say "blanu zdani" (blueish-house) just as easily as "zdani blanu" (houseish-blue).

[...]saying that a bird must have feathers (a necessary condition)

That actually is a good example of a brittle requirement, in ways that are even more directly problematic than shuttlecocks and bird-shaped staplers. What about a plucked chicken? What about a duck that, due to a genetic disease, never had feathers? What about (NOTE: This example isn't valid re: real evolutionary history) a member of an intermediary species between pterodactyl and modern birds?

Comment author: Desrtopa 01 October 2011 04:33:00AM 2 points [-]

Not that it particularly affects your point, but pterodactyls are not genetic precursors to birds (they split off before the clade Dinosauria,) and feathers predate the first true dinosaurs capable of flight.

Comment author: DSimon 01 October 2011 05:04:16AM 2 points [-]

Whoops, didn't know that, thanks.

Comment author: byrnema 01 October 2011 11:28:43AM 1 point [-]

That actually is a good example of a brittle requirement,

Yeah, good point. I'm entirely convinced. Even for an apparently straight-forward category like 'bird', there's not a single necessary condition you can point to. Even if there are some examples of categories with necessary conditions (I don't know), this is evidence that the necessary conditions aren't an intrinsic part of the way we structure a concept.