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Let's not call shoes we like "rationalist shoes".
Edit: (Original title of the post was "Rationalist Video Game: Frozen Synapse".)
-Mozart Was a Red: A Morality Play In One Act, by Murray Rothbard
That play on google video
I think it has a deeper connection than being "a game rationalists like": it seems like an actual game where you can practice conditioning on the other player's decision theory, because, IIUC, you learn the various ways they would respond to various choices you make. And conditioning on another's subjunctive output is a crucial element of the Newcomblike decision theory problems we talk about here, and discussed mainly in that context.
This is the aspect I was looking at, yes. I wasn't sure how to condense it to a few words suitable for a title.
I see where you're coming from, but the majority of competitive games have a large element of modeling your opponent and predicting his actions. Without playing this one, it seems pretty silly to advertise it as exceptional.
If you play it and learn something in particular that's interesting from it, then I look forward to that post.
Most games give you one chance at estimating your opponents subjunctive decision theory. If I understand this one correctly, it involves a lot deeper probing of their decision theory. This has significant differences from regular "predict the opponent" game mechanics in that you have to build up a strategy that works even when the opponent knows it (and knows that you know that they know ...). So it seems like the emphasis is unique, and matches the kind of reasoning we've talked a lot about here in the context of newcomblike problems.
Very true - but then I would call it a Newcomblike Video Game. Which is actually juicier than Rationalist Video Game, come to think of it.
Should I change the title? I was under the impression that doing so is frowned on.
Less frowned on than "mis-using the word rationalist in the eyes of the community", I would wager. (Yeah, change it).
shoes we like
I have a game I play on the subway called "Rationalist One-Foot", in which you stand on one foot for as long as possible and whoever falls over first loses. (It's "Rationalist" because I thus far have only played it with other aspiring rationalists.)
(yes, this is a joke)
(by which I mean I DO play a game called Rationalist One-Foot, and then hope that people do not actually think it reflects Rationality in the slightest)
The only way to win Rationalist One-Foot is not to play, obviously.
No, you win by standing on one foot for a very long time.
Actually, come to think of it, someone did win once by immediately pushing over everyone else. (Probably the best use of Rationality in a game of Rationalist One-Foot that I've seen)
Curious why this got ten upvotes.
I'm also curious about that, although not really complaining. I think it's hilarious that my collective posts on Rationalist One-Foot have netted me 29 Karma so far.
(The other highly upvoted comment relating to Rationalist One-Foot was presumably both funny AND actually related to rationality. This one I assume was upvoted solely for comedic value. I actually didn't think it was all that funny, but it may have benefitted from being a relatively unique type of humor on Less Wrong, and if others were to attempt to replicate it it would quickly drop off in value)
Your tsukkomi-fu is strong.
I have no idea what that means, and google didn't help.
Oh, sorry. When I tried googling it, to make sure it was figure-outable, the explanation was the first hit. I guess that must be due to a history-filter on my end.
But man, wearing these shoes allows me to think critically about the path I take to and from school...