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Comment author: [deleted] 04 October 2011 05:20:14PM 2 points [-]

I rather doubt there is a fully-generalizable theory of the sort you seem to be looking for. Some territories are better left than explored in more detail, if it be within your power to do so; others can be meaningfully understood and manipulated.

If you are in a dead-end job in a small town where you are socially isolated and clash culturally with the locals, do not have professional credentials sufficient to make a lateral move plausible (ie, working retail as opposed to something that requires a degree), the advice will necessarily be different than if you are in a major city and have a career of some kind.

What works in New York may not work so well in Lake Wobegon.

Comment author: EphemeralNight 04 October 2011 06:12:08PM 2 points [-]

Some territories are better left than explored in more detail

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but are you saying that some blank places on our Maps ought to be deliberately kept blank? That seems, well, insane.

In any case, at no point did I ask for advice about my specific situation. I want the algorithm being used to generate that advice, not the advice itself.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 October 2011 06:19:53PM 2 points [-]

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but are you saying that some blank places on our Maps ought to be deliberately kept blank? That seems, well, insane.

No, I'm saying that not all situations present the same amount of opportunities, and your situation makes a difference whether or not you think it does.

I do not think there is a fully-general piece of advice for you, but you clearly believe there is. I believe this is a mistake on your part, and have said so several times now. Since you are not apparently interested in hearing that, I will not bother to repeat myself further.

Good luck finding what you're after though.

Comment author: EphemeralNight 04 October 2011 06:37:58PM 6 points [-]

I'm saying that not all situations present the same amount of opportunities, and your situation makes a difference whether or not you think it does.

Okay, and that's not something I dispute. If I did somehow manage to correct my cognitive flaw, one of the possibilities is that I'd discover that I really don't have any options. But I can't know that until the flaw is solved.

I do not think there is a fully-general piece of advice for you, but you clearly believe there is.

Of course I believe there is a fully general algorithm for identifying avenues of advancement towards a terminal goal. But phrasing it like that just made me realize that anyone who actually knew it would have already built an AGI.

Well, crap.

Comment author: vi21maobk9vp 04 October 2011 09:27:50PM 2 points [-]

Well, having it described in terms suitable for human improvement and relying on existing human cognitive abilities would lower it just to universally applicable intelligence amplification.

So you did not ask for something AGI-equivalent.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 October 2011 06:43:22PM -1 points [-]

I'm glad this has been enlightening. ^^

Comment author: dlthomas 04 October 2011 06:17:13PM 2 points [-]

I don't think many here would propose that portions of the map be kept blank for the sake of keeping them blank.

It is easy to see that, with limited resources, it may be preferable to leave some regions blank when you've determined that there are likely to be bigger gains to be had elsewhere for cheaper.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 October 2011 06:24:09PM 1 point [-]

This is in fact what I meant -- one's map is necessarily local to one's territory, and sometimes the gains of going over it in more detail are minimal.

To go with the analogy of maps: if what you want is advice on how to plant a garden, it matters whether or not you're in the middle of the Sahara Desert.