Emile comments on Open thread, October 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Emile 17 October 2011 08:00:25AM 2 points [-]

Why single out race? There are other demographic factors that could count too: sex, age, social class ... and if a policy of "OK, conviction standards for blacks are lower" would be political suicide, a policy of "OK, conviction standards for working class people" would be even worse.

Even so such policies may indeed increase the accuracy of convictions, 1) they don't match our intuitions about justice, which I suspect would make people less happy, 2) judges and juries already take such factors into account (implicitly and approximately), so there's a risk of overcorrecting, and 3) energy would be much better spent increasing the accuracy of conviction with less ambiguous things like cameras, DNA tests, etc.

I do believe that such demographic data can be useful to help direct resources for crime prevention, though.

Comment author: wedrifid 17 October 2011 08:28:46AM 1 point [-]

There are other demographic factors that could count too: sex, age, social class ... and if a policy of "OK, conviction standards for blacks are lower" would be political suicide

Isn't that the status quo?

Comment author: Emile 17 October 2011 08:37:07AM 0 points [-]

Not explicitly, as far as I know (implicitly, possibly, hence what I said about over-correcting).

Comment author: wedrifid 17 October 2011 10:21:16AM 0 points [-]

Not explicitly, as far as I know

One would hope not.

Comment author: pedanterrific 17 October 2011 08:06:24AM 0 points [-]

I do believe that such demographic data can be useful to help direct resources for crime prevention, though.

Leaning more towards "increased police presence in the ghetto" or "only frisk the Muslims"?

Comment author: Emile 17 October 2011 08:35:50AM 6 points [-]

Whatever works, I don't have any specific policies in mind (I'm far from being an expert in law enforcement).

But to take a specific example, I don't think information about higher crime rates for blacks is enough to tell whether we need "increased police presence in the Ghetto" - for all I know, police presence could already be 10 times the national average there.

There is a tendency I dislike in political punditry/activism/whatever (not that I'm accusing you of it, you just gave me a pretext to get on my soap box) to say "we need more X" or "we need less X" (regulation, police, taxes, immigrants, education, whatever) without any reference to evidence about what the ideal level of X would be, and about whether we are above or below that level - sometimes the same claims are made in countries with wildly different levels of X.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 17 October 2011 02:30:32PM 5 points [-]