Morendil comments on Open thread, October 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Morendil 17 October 2011 04:10:18PM 3 points [-]

One (more) reason to be uncomfortable with such an argument: "black" doesn't carve nature at its joints.

(Whereas, relevantly for such arguments, "poor" does - though I believe that arguing that way leads down the path that has been called "reference class tennis".)

Comment author: lessdazed 17 October 2011 11:22:40PM 0 points [-]

That's not too important. If I go to my closet and pull out twenty items of clothing at random, and designate those group A, and designate the rest group B, if I know what is in each group I can still make predictions about traits of random members of either group.

Comment author: Emile 17 October 2011 07:20:17PM *  3 points [-]

Doesn't it?

When it comes to US demographics, "black" covers a "natural" cluster of the population / identifiable blob in thingspace. Sure, there are border cases like mixed-race people and recent African immigrants, just like there are edge-cases between bleggs and rubes. "Is person X black or not?" is probably one of the top yes/no questions that would tell you the most about an American (Along with "Did he vote for Obama?", "Is he richer or poorer than the median?", or "Does he live north or south of the Mason-Dixon line?")

Sure, when it comes to world demographics, or Brazilian demographics, it doesn't cut reality at it joints as well.

Comment author: Vaniver 17 October 2011 10:18:01PM 2 points [-]

Mason-Dixie

It's Mason-Dixon, after the two surveyors.

Comment author: Emile 18 October 2011 07:41:43AM 1 point [-]

Whoops, thanks!

Comment author: Jack 17 October 2011 06:03:56PM 3 points [-]

For questions of, say, population genetics, I think that is quite right. But for questions of sociology or social policy I don't see why one wouldn't include 'black' as part of the ontology.