What does it mean to "cultivate an X based morality" and why should we do it? Why should we have an any-one-thing based morality? Obviously picking one moral emotion and only teaching and encouraging that is likely to leave important moral judgments out. I don't think even Peter Singer is recommending that. Nonetheless, empathy seems to have a central if not exclusive role in the motivation and development of lots of really important moral judgments. That empathy is not necessary for all moral judgments does not mean that it can be systematically replaced by other moral emotions in cases where it is central. Helping people is good! We should teach children to help people and laud those who do.
I'm not sure section 5 says... anything at all. All of the things said about empathy in this section are true of people. Try substituting one for the other. Which is to say, they're true for lots of other behaviors and emotions as well. Pointing out that biases affect empathy isn't helpful unless one has found a different moral emotion which inspires a extensionally similar moral judgment (one that leads to the same behaviors) that combines the motivational force of empathy without ...
I think empathy with oneself is a meaningful concept, or at least there's a substantial subset of people who have trouble noticing what they want or identifying when they're being arbitrarily treated as low status.
Fifth, there are victimless transgressions, such as necrophilia, consensual sibling incest, destruction of (unpopulated) places in the environment, or desecration of a grave of someone who has no surviving relative. Empathy makes no sense in these cases.
One person's modus ponens is another's modus tollens. The fact that there is no harm involved in "victimless crimes" leads myself and plenty of other people to label (at least the first two of) those "crimes" as acceptable.
Fifth, there are victimless transgressions, such as necrophilia, consensual sibling incest, destruction of (unpopulated) places in the environment, or desecration of a grave of someone who has no surviving relative. Empathy makes no sense in these cases.
It is also unclear to me that these should be subject to any moral judgement.
I'm going to judge based on the destruction of the environment. Do what you want with your dead sister.
I think destruction of the environment, even unpopulated, is indeed not a victimless crime, since it can have various external consequences.
It's not -- lots of encysting macroinvertebrates there, some of them probably endemic. Nothing too charismatic to the average human, I suppose, but it's not nearly as lifeless as it looks -- and their seasonal population booms are important to migratory fauna that pass through each year, such as birds. The ecology there responds to seasonal flooding, so if you've only gone during Burning Man, appearances will be deceiving.
"Most people see the benefits of empathy as too obvious to require justification", Paul Bloom:
......then I add, “I’m against it.” This usually gets an uncomfortable laugh. This reaction surprised me at first, but I’ve come to realize that taking a position against empathy is like announcing that you hate kittens—a statement so outlandish it can only be a joke. And so I’ve learned to clarify, to explain that I am not against morality, compassion, kindness, love, being a good neighbor, doing the right thing, and making the world a better place. My c
Hum, there are interesting things in that article, but it seems way too one-sided to me, and it dwells upon confusion between two thesis which are very different : « empathy is not the only source of morality » (which I agree with) and « empathy is not a core part of morality » (which I disagree with).
Attempt to reduce human morality to a single factor (like empathy) is doomed to fail. And every time you'll look at a single factor behind some part of human morality, you'll find cases in which it fails to explain our behavior, and others in which it'll lead...
The main criticism of empathy in section 5 (the section which argues that empathy could be harmful and not merely ineffectual) is partiality. Empathy is felt towards a specific target, which could lead to a failure to help people other than that target or even actions that help the target at the expense of others. But other moral emotions face the same problem. Anger is stronger for local misdeeds than for global ones - Americans were angrier about BP's oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico than about other oil spills in other parts of the world. Someone who...
In sum, empathy has serious shortcomings.
But all of these examples are examples of incomplete or unskilled empathy.
Giving someone preferential treatment because they are cute isn't 'empathy'. (edited: better to say that not empathizing with something that is not cute is a failure of empathy)
Giving preferential treatment to Sheri is empathizing with Sheri and not the other people in the line -- that's again lopsided empathy. It won't happen if you also empathize with everyone in the line.
The ability of empathy to be manipulated would need a little mor...
(I can't imagine I would be able to accurately assess utility for a masochist just by trying to employ my empathy!)
I think that might be a better strike against empathetic ethics than anything the OP presents, actually. Empathy's effectiveness as a moral guide is strictly limited by its ability to model others' hedonic responses, an ability constrained both by the breadth of hedonic variation in the environment and by the modeler's imagination. That doesn't even work too well for heterogenous, multicultural societies like most of the First World -- you need to take a meta-ethical approach to keep it from breaking down over sexual and religious points, for example -- so I'd expect it to be completely inadequate for problems involving nonhuman or transhuman agents. Which needn't be speculative; animal rights would qualify, as would corporate ethics.
Beware of other-optimizing, essentially.
Slightly off-topic here, since your post doesn't require the conflation, but it has been annoying me lately that there are three distinct usages of "empathy" that are frequently conflated.
1) "Empathy" as the emotional interest in others, could also be called "moral sense", the kind of empathy that sociopaths are said to lack.
2) "Empathy" as the ability to identify emotionally with others, the set of instincts or "firmware" that make interpersonal communications and interactions go smoothly, the kind of empa...
I agree with many things Prinz says, but it dismays me that, yet again, the conclusion under moral system X that it is moral to kill one innocent person to save 5 innocent people, is used as evidence against moral system X:
For example, one might judge that it is bad to kill an innocent person even if his vital organs could be used to save five others who desperately need transplants. Here, arguably, we feel cumulatively more empathy for the five people in need than for the one healthy person, but our moral judgment does not track that empathetic response.
Eventually, after enough moral systems founder on this "bug", it's time to consider the possibility that it is a feature.
Comments on Reddit:
Note: no examples are given of philosophers who hold the (bizarre) thesis that empathy, or any other single emotion, is on its own necessary or sufficient for morality/ethics. No-one that I know of, not even Smith or Hume, holds this thesis. But, y'know, it's Prinz, so it gets published. [Prinz would disagree; see my reply]
Prinz should know better than to artificially isolate a single type of motivation in this way... it's doubtful that such an isolation is even conceptually coherent, let alone that anyone ever act
…For example, one might judge that charity is good, or that wife beating is bad. According to the view under consideration these judgments depend on empathetic responses: we empathize with the positive feelings experienced by the recipients of charity and with the negative feelings of those who fall prey to domestic violence.
If was the adherent of a heretical sect of PC I would say that I detected microagression here.
There seems to be a general tendency here to conflate 'empathy' with 'the particular (biased, inconsistent) ways humans tend to (attempt to) practise empathy'. The latter is obviously far less capable of constituting a basis for morality than the former, on just about any reasonable construal of 'morality' (another term the ambiguous employment of which obviates the usefulness of many an argument on such topics...).
…[but] consider cases where deontological considerations overrule utilitarian principles. For example, one might judge that it is bad to kill an innocent person even if his vital organs could be used to save five others who desperately need transplants. Here, arguably, we feel cumulatively more empathy for the five people in need than for the one healthy person, but our moral judgment does not track that empathetic response.
Not sure about this one, not least because I don't believe in deontology in the first place.
...Second, consider the moral judgments
I think it's pretty clear that empathy has flaws and occasionally leads to unethical behavior, but it may help somewhat "cognitively disadvantaged" people act in a less evil way, maybe. Emotions as a whole are not necessary for morality if there is very high intelligence to really understand ethics in a conceptual level. Emotions by themselves also can never sustain ethical behavior without this conceptual understanding. Although you could argue that empathy only works well with understanding of ethics, since empathy leads to errors for example i...
Increasing group solidarity is not always so awesome: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/04/the-dark-side-of-cooperation-2.html
For example, one might judge that it is bad to kill an innocent person even if his vital organs could be used to save five others who desperately need transplants. Here, arguably, we feel cumulatively more empathy for the five people in need than for the one healthy person, but our moral judgment does not track that empathetic response.
The contrary, it is easier to empathize with one person than five:
...The reason human beings seem to care so little about mass suffering and death is precisely because the suffering is happening on a mass scale. The brain
This is a common issue with lesswrong posts. A good way to write a post would be:
Or even better, since brevity is a virtue:
This post contains a lot of words and a lot of minor nitpicks about imperfections of empathy (versus which alternative exactly) but I don't see any primary points? Posts about morality are especially prone to this, since every basis of morality including varieties of utilitarianism have some severe problems, so saying that empathy has them too means nothing.
Empathy has serious shortcomings... compared to what?
For example, I consider it a feature that we are more likely to emphatize with children and puppies than cockroaches just because they are cute and more similar to us. Or what about rocks? (who said that rocks don't have feelings? they are just... different. We bastards constantly fail to understand them.)
As there is no Universal Ethics of the Universe, the only thing we can compare our own implementation of morality is our (probably incomplete) models of it, then we do the evaluation... again using our ...
What kind of 'morality' are we talking about here? If we're talking about actual systems of morality, deontological/utilitarian/etc, then empathy is almost certainly not required to calculate morally correct actions. But this seems to be talking about intuitive morality. It's asking: is empathy, as a cognitive faculty, necessary in order to develop an internal moral system (that is like mine)?
I'm not sure why this is an important question. If people are acting morally, do we care if it's motivated by empathy? Or put it this way: Is it possible for a psychopath to act morally? I'd say yes, of course, no matter what you mean by morality.
Is it just me or is Blair's logic incomplete?
...Lack of empathy is a diagnostic criterion for psychopathy (Hare, 1991), and Blair shows that psychopaths also suffer from a profound deficit in moral competence. In particular, they do not draw a distinction between moral rules (e.g., don’t hit people) and conventional rules (e.g., rules about what clothing to wear in school). Blair concludes that psychopaths’ failure to draw this distinction indicates that they do not comprehend the essence of moral rules. When they say that something is “morally wrong,” they
"fMRI reveals reciprocal inhibition between social and physical cognitive domains" (media):
...Two lines of evidence indicate that there exists a reciprocal inhibitory relationship between opposed brain networks. First, most attention-demanding cognitive tasks activate a stereotypical set of brain areas, known as the task-positive network and simultaneously deactivate a different set of brain regions, commonly referred to as the task negative or default mode network. Second, functional connectivity analyses show that these same opposed networks are
Please put in a separator near the start of your post, so that it isn't so hard to scroll past it on the page with new posts.
That is not to say that morality shouldn’t centrally involve emotions.
Rephrase this as the positive claim
Morality should centrally involve emotions
and it feels a whole lot different. What evidence for this claim can we think of?
The following are extracts from the paper “Is Empathy Necessary For Morality?” (philpapers) by Jesse Prinz (WP) of CUNY; recently linked in a David Brooks New York Times column, “The Limits of Empathy”:
1 Introduction
2 Is Empathy Necessary for Moral Judgment?
3 Is Empathy Necessary for Moral Development?
4 Is Empathy Necessary for Moral Conduct?
5 Should we Cultivate An Empathy Based Morality?
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