timtyler comments on [LINK] Robin Hanson on Carl Shulman's recent paper on Whole Brain Emulation - Less Wrong

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Comment author: timtyler 05 October 2011 11:31:48AM 0 points [-]

Both Carl and Robin presume that brain emulations will be economically significant - which seems very unlikely. We may eventually be able to back up minds, but by then we will have intelligent machines by other means that will be doing most of civilisation's cognitive work.

Carl's section about "unrestrained Malthusian competition" seems rather paranoid. It exhibits "cold-war"-era thinking. Advanced organisms are much more likely to trade with one another - which seems relatively unlikely to result in existential risk.

Both parties avoid discussion of what will probably determine whether such a single large entity forms or not - a cosmic monopolies and mergers commission. Robin presumably thinks such a thing will be unnecessary - on the grounds that coordination is so hard. Why Carl doesn't discuss it is less obvious. Perhaps he thinks it is obviously a product of a primitive political system. Today, some political thinking suggests that preventing large-scale cooperation is desirable, and that deliberate fragmentation is the way to go. If that perspective continues to dominate, it seems relatively unlikely that a unified system will arise - since the monopolies and mergers commission would destroy any such unity.

Comment author: CarlShulman 05 October 2011 09:50:37PM *  6 points [-]

I don't presume that brain emulation will come first and be significant, and indeed think that it probably won't. The paper explored some issues relevant conditional on that turning out to happen anyway, including some that can be generalized to non brain emulation scenarios.

Regarding Malthusian competition, check out "burning the cosmic commons".

The monopolies commission you describe would be a singleton under Bostrom's account, capable of overcoming any local challenge to its authority.

Comment author: timtyler 06 October 2011 11:21:44AM 1 point [-]

I don't presume that brain emulation will come first and be significant, and indeed think that it probably won't.

OK, good to know. The idea in the paper is attributed to "Many scientists".

Regarding Malthusian competition, check out "burning the cosmic commons".

Yes, I am familiar with that. If you don't like what natural selection offers, one wonders just how slow, bloated and inefficient a civilisation is considered to be desirable - and how much of it would survive eventual contact with aliens.

The monopolies commission you describe would be a singleton under Bostrom's account, capable of overcoming any local challenge to its authority.

Yes, that is true.