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Your question of crime and punishment has nothing to do with the useless debate between determinism and free will (as pointed out repeatedly by many, we, ironically, have no other sensible choice but to act as if we had free will).
It is rather about reasonable ways of protecting people from harm and ways to rehabilitate the offenders, two hard civic and political problems currently lumped together and bandaided by the woefully inadequate penal system.
This is not true. Susan Blackmore has spoken a lot about his. Quick example:
I've done the same thing and have no feeling of free will left. (I'm not even sure I ever had it to begin with.) I find the whole idea of "agency" problematic and free will just blatantly incoherent, even as a useful illusion.
This has neither destroyed my life, nor made me any less moral. Rather to the contrary, I suspect it has improved both aspects.
This exercise sounded interesting, and I wanted to research it a bit more. I found another article by Susan Blackmore which I think relates: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-faith-column/2007/03/free-spirit-god-fear-anything
There is a difference between feeling and acting. Both of you act as if you had free will, which was my point.
Huh? I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying that you model me as having free will because that's the only way you can model human behavior? If so, I would say your models are seriously lacking.
You may have concluded that crime+punishment should have nothing to do with determinism/free will, and that conclusion is IMHO a good one. But in the real world, crime+punishment do have a lot to do with determinism/free will. Our philosophy and our legal system is riddled with explicit statements about the issue. That is why we call it "crime and punishment" instead of "crime and prevention". See my post, Crime and Punishment.