gwern comments on Life is Good, More Life is Better - Less Wrong

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Comment author: quentin 18 October 2011 10:59:02PM *  0 points [-]

Which is better: a society of immortals who never give birth, or a society that procreates and dies in the normal manner, whose population is stable at the same size?

That is to say, if both equally maximize observer-moments, does the "life-cycle" increase or decrease utility?

Comment author: gwern 18 October 2011 11:19:50PM 0 points [-]

Dying and giving birth both seem to involve considerable suffering, so you'd need to augment your stable population with additional assumptions like 'childbirth is rendered painless' before it's even a challenging question.

Comment author: DanielLC 19 October 2011 12:46:04AM *  2 points [-]

so you'd need to augment your stable population with additional assumptions

Then pretend he did. http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Least_convenient_possible_world

Comment author: gwern 19 October 2011 12:49:17AM 1 point [-]

Because at some point it stops being least convenient and it becomes 'let me define away any counterpoints which might matter'. Maybe quentin really did forget about birth & death as major disutility generators and pointing out that alone contributes to the discussion.