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Comment author: Hyena 16 October 2011 07:48:19PM 11 points [-]

I think the ethics of farming is another place where problems in utilitarianism crop up.

There's a Parfitian argument that, since none of these animals would have existed otherwise, then killing them for food is no problem. But this would also apply to farming people, whether for food or chattel slavery, which we find repugnant. Obviously, though, this world is just as utility maximizing as Hanson's Malthusian em soup universe, neither of which seem particularly "good" (in fact, it is the em soup, just with fleshy people).

I don't have a "solution" to this, I think it just demonstrates one of the edges of utility theory's map.

Comment author: peter_hurford 14 December 2011 02:45:08AM 1 point [-]

There's a Parfitian argument that, since none of these animals would have existed otherwise, then killing them for food is no problem.

There's a Parfitian argument that, since you would have not existed otherwise unless your parents gave you birth, then your parents should be allowed to kill you for food.

Comment author: Hyena 19 January 2012 10:22:29AM 1 point [-]

Well, that's my point. There's all these arguments hanging around here and when you take any of the general approaches, like utility theory, you tend to bump into them with nasty consequences. As I said: I don't really have a way to "solve" this.

Comment author: peter_hurford 19 January 2012 05:28:01PM 1 point [-]

Why can't we just reject that Parfitian argument?