SilasBarta comments on Social status & testosterone - Less Wrong

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Comment author: SilasBarta 20 October 2011 10:08:42PM 8 points [-]

So, would it be advisable to use testosterone as an anti-akrasia aid or social phobia suppressor?

Comment author: Prismattic 22 October 2011 12:06:01AM 1 point [-]

Isn't testosterone also an immunosuppressant? It would need to be a pretty big effect to merit the tradeoff.

Anecdotally, I've always had social anxiety despite being, I'm fairly certain, on the high end of the natural testosterone distribution (very strong libido, very easy to build muscle mass, my chin has actual corners that make shaving a pain, etc.).

Comment author: gwern 22 October 2011 12:14:16AM 2 points [-]

Isn't testosterone also an immunosuppressant? It would need to be a pretty big effect to merit the tradeoff.

Maybe. From Sullivan:

For reasons no one seems to understand, testosterone may also be an immune suppressant. High levels of it can correspond, as recent studies have shown, not only with baldness but also with heart disease and a greater susceptibility to infectious diseases. Higher levels of prostate cancer among blacks, some researchers believe, may well be related to blacks' higher testosterone levels. The aggression it can foster and the risks it encourages lead men into situations that often wound or kill them. And higher levels of testosterone-driven promiscuity make men more prone to sexually transmitted diseases. This is one reason that men live shorter lives on average than women. There is something, in other words, tragic about testosterone. It can lead to a certain kind of male glory; it may lead to valor or boldness or impulsive romanticism. But it also presages a uniquely male kind of doom. The cockerel with the brightest comb is often the most attractive and the most testosteroned, but it is also the most vulnerable to parasites. It is as if it has sacrificed quantity of life for intensity of experience, and this trade-off is a deeply male one.

Comment author: gwern 21 October 2011 05:51:32PM 7 points [-]

Advisable? I certainly wouldn't advise it - modafinil or melatonin, yeah, I've read a fair bit of material and think I know the minimal risks, but not testosterone. I'm a little concerned about the mixed bag I see in some of the case studies. For example, Andrew Sullivan has covered his experience with prescription testosterone:

Comment author: [deleted] 21 October 2011 05:27:42PM *  2 points [-]

If someone is going to try that, they should report back (considering there are so many fearless nootropic experimenters here already, it seems possible at least one or two people will try it).

Comment author: nazgulnarsil 23 October 2011 01:25:30AM 1 point [-]

I do not plan to supplement my natural levels but I do intend to use supllemental test to stay at my baseline as the level naturally drops off with aging.