Desrtopa comments on Amanda Knox: post mortem - Less Wrong

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Comment author: brazil84 21 October 2011 10:43:58AM 2 points [-]

•You didn't know the names of the people commenting.

I'm not sure that's the way to put it, but let me ask you this: How much stock do you put in the unsupported assertion of an anonymous person on the internet?

•You have faith that you're more reliable than those people.

Please quote me where I made that assertion.

•You would lose your job if you weren't so great at seeing through bullshit.

Well I need to be decent at a minimum. But basically yeah. I assess cases day in and day out. That's a huge advantage. I know that I'm much better than I was 15 years ago, even though I was just as smart then as I am now.

•You have often failed to see through bullshit.

Sure, getting this kind of feedback is a good way to improve one's judgment. Do you seriously disagree?

Boy was Upton Sinclair ever right.

:shrug: I agree, but employment is sadly not the only motivator for self-deception. Let me ask you this:

Do you agree that the tone of your post is a bit nasty?

Comment author: Desrtopa 21 October 2011 02:46:16PM 3 points [-]

Please quote me where I made that assertion.

To the extent that you don't think that you're more reliable than those people, you're engaging in a treatment of evidence that is simply wrong. The fact of someone's belief is evidence weighted according to the reliability of their mechanisms for establishing belief. That's the principle behind Aumann's Agreement Theorem.

Comment author: brazil84 21 October 2011 03:17:05PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure I understand your point. My belief that I have superior judgment in this area is based on actual knowledge about myself and my experiences. "Faith" implies that there is no such basis.

I don't recall claiming or implying that I was basing my assessment on "faith," but I could be wrong. Which is why I am giving loqi a chance to back up his statement.

Comment author: Desrtopa 21 October 2011 03:23:01PM 2 points [-]

I'm not sure I understand your point. My belief that I have superior judgment in this area is based on actual knowledge about myself and my experiences.

But not knowledge of the other commenters and their experiences, whom you seem to have lumped into the reference class of "anonymous internet commenters," which you assign a low assessment of competence.

If you want to find a lot of people with significant expertise in rendering judgment under uncertainty, I think this is a pretty good place to look.

Comment author: Jack 21 October 2011 03:21:03PM 0 points [-]

If "have faith" is changed to "believe" everyone here should agree.